existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Do we know if penguin shit sinks, or floats?
PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes
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Dr Therese Coffey is to lead a team of former people to investigate this burning question
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Starry Wisdom
Yes yes and yes
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
A failed state
ruffneck23
front left
A fucking state.
So sorry, as I’ve mentioned numerous times, my attention span is terrible.
Does Cummings support the Tory party policies in general, or was he just there for the pay day?
Does Cummings support the Tory party policies in general, or was he just there for the pay day?
not-bono-ever
meh
I have no doubt that Cummings outpourings are entirely factual. No doubt at all that he could back them up if pressed. Yet he tolerated this cavalcade of shite in the first place is telling
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Worse; he enabled/facilitated it; but to see blustercunt concede the accusations in the inter-psychopathic warfare is just fine.
elbows
Well-Known Member
He was there to further an agenda that is right wing but not very well aligned with the tory party that he considers to be incompetent and full of people who arent up to the job.
If people watch the interview they have to put up with Laura pretending to be shocked at the way power and grubby deals work, at the ruthlessness and cynicism demonstrated, at the idea of someone having some power over the PM, at anything that is not part of a ridiculous illusion of people doing things out of a sense of public service and duty.
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rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Neither. He used the tory party as his vehicle to achieve brexit.
God help me, I actually quite liked Cummings in that interview. I disagree with him about a lot of things but at least he’s pretty up front about having an agenda and trying to pursue it on grounds of ideology. And I found him pretty funny, even.
Kuensberg, by contrast, just came across as a establishment schill.
Kuensberg, by contrast, just came across as a establishment schill.
bimble
floofy
i've been wondering something. Once you get to this level of shitness (not just the ethical vacuum but the sheer idiocy of the people who are our elected leaders right now) - is there a way back or is it just downhill all the way from here?
I think it's the latter tbh, don't know if places can get less stupid only worse.
He's not quite as clownish as donald trump but i reckon the impact is similar, some sort of biden to follow doesn't fix anything, your country is still fucked cos half the people in it voted for him and don't see any problem with that.
I think it's the latter tbh, don't know if places can get less stupid only worse.
He's not quite as clownish as donald trump but i reckon the impact is similar, some sort of biden to follow doesn't fix anything, your country is still fucked cos half the people in it voted for him and don't see any problem with that.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
They didn't; 13.9m is not 'half the people'.
bimble
floofy
You think he genuinely wanted Brexit? why? I mean what did he hope would come to pass as a result of leaving?
bimble
floofy
yes that is, as always, true.
Maybe this lot will in time be replaced by something better i just felt despair at the moment, its not that they're the evilest its the stupidity, i don't know if this level of incompetence has happened before here maybe i just wasnt paying attention.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I said after previous revelations that he is sort of like a mutant right wing version of me, or I am a mutant left wing version of him.
Because we share something that goes beyond mere frustration with the current system and those who rattle around in it. The differences really start to mount up when it comes to ideas about what to replace that with, since he favours the use of those brilliant minds of business whom I detest. And he favours manipulation and concentrated power where I favour something resembling actual democracy and the inclusion of everyone within important systems and decisions.
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Absolutely Cummings wanted it. For him as for many, the desire for it was ideological. Their expectations weren't based on what they thought would happen but on the subjective concepts of freedom, independence and self determination.
Yeah, I could respect his frustration, just not exactly what he wanted to do about it.
It’s interesting to me that people have reacted so negatively to him pointing out what just seems obvious to me — nobody knows yet whether Brexit will be good and that includes him. All you can do is have a view. He even pointed out that the reason they won the referendum was that they understood that remain was a perfectly reasonable position to hold, rather than it being only the domain of idiots. And yet people still seem to not get it.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Ah, and its inflammability, too...excellent.
maomao
普費斯
I've only actually read Cummings on education and he's terrible. Thousands of words on checking GCSE results against IQ tests to see if they're getting easier rather than actually looking at the old papers and mark schemes. And no consideration of other factors such as increased teaching to the exam, just pointless black and white thinking that goes nowhere.
elbows
Well-Known Member
He reminds me that I might find it easier to come to terms with this world if there were a lot more active gadflies in it. But then he is also a reminder to be careful what we wish for, since his big ideas and politics suck.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Wouldn't go as far as liking him, but I found it a fascinating watch. Somebody who has been behind the hideous politics of the last few years and who is a major factor in the rise of johnson. It was fascinating watching someone that is all 'cleverness' and very little obvious emotion. On the interview itself I believed him on the key things he said about johnson as they fitted the facts/what has happened. Same time, he had his hand close to his mouth for much of it which was interesting in a pop-psych kind of way. As you say, Kuensberg did a good job deflecting things onto cummings own behaviour. His own actions and behaviour were major issues, but any good interviewer would have followed up what he'd said about johnson, his tendency to not make decisions and, crucially, his underlying libertarian impulses that killed tens of thousands.
Depressingly, I don't thing the claims made do much to shift British politics. They'll hang around till the watered down inquiries that take place in a few years, but won't touch the opinion polls. Johnson GOT BREXIT DONE! and Labour have died. In that context even the astonishing and uncontested claims made by cummings about allowing bodies to pile up have nowhere to go in terms of building an opposition (in terms of parliamentary politics or, more importantly, extra parliamentary).
Did he want brexit, or did he do it for the money?
Again, my attention is terrible, and I got the impression he would have done business for whoever offered him the most cash
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
He wanted brexitDid he want brexit, or did he do it for the money?
Again, my attention is terrible, and I got the impression he would have done business for whoever offered him the most cash
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