Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Well luckily the jury was in charge of deciding who was in the wrong rather than ‘Tones off the internet’.
Pedestrian jailed for causing death of cyclist
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maomao
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How?
By not being able to stop safely in time.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Oh fuck a duck.
maomao
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Utter nonsense. She was attacked. Why would she have stopped? If some nutter starts waving their arms at you, the correct thing to do is speed up (not that she did either). From the film she was attacked pretty much from the side and moving slow enough that her bike reversed as it fell.
I get that. But I still have some sympathy with a blind disabled woman trying to use a pavement when cyclists are on it. Not that I condone what she did. But a prison sentence doesn't help anyone.
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maomao
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Well blame the judge then. Not the 77 year old riding responsibly that she killed.
I think the blame goes a few ways.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
“She shouldn’t have been there” is what people also say about domestic abuse, rape and random murders. So let’s not add “cycling and minding her own fucking business” to the list of things people can’t do.
maomao
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Is it a cycling thing? Because regardless of whether I agree with the sentence I don't see how the woman who died could have behaved any better. Unless you just think all cyclists are vermin or something, in which case you're part of the problem.
I'm sure lots of people bear some responsibility for their own murder by being involved in drugs gangs for example.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I don't think that. But I do think that if you are gong to ride on the pavement you need to crawl along at walking pace. Personally I wouldn't allow it at all. I'd say that if people are too scared to ride on the road they should get off and push.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Victim blaming is shit
maomao
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It was a cycle path. You tend to get a lot of abuse off drivers if you use a road next to a cycle path (even when it's a shit one or full of broken glass).
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
The cyclist was involved in a drugs gang?
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
She was.
The poor woman died and you're taking the piss.
Checking your other posts, maybe you were just lying low...
I'm not taking the piss. And I'm sorry for what happened. I just think it's inevitable that these things will happen if you cycle on the pavement. It shouldn't be allowed. And shouldn't be necessary with proper infrastructure.
its not a question of being scared. Some roads are entirely unsuitable for cycling. Some roads don't allow cycling. some pavement based cycle routes join up with the wider cycle network and may not allow direct access to the adjacent road due to a barrier.
Cyclists get a lot of shit for not wearing helmets and for not using cycle lanes - and can be the target for abuse - I know I have been. But weighing up risk is something we all have to do and if its choice between heavy traffic and a legal cycle path which may be on the pavement, even if the cycle path is of poor quality, its better than ending up in hospital.
And nobody should be judgemental about anyone wanting to avoid cycling in traffic like this, for example:
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maomao
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She wasn't and it isn't.
Do you think shared use paths are never okay? I know loads that work fine.
Yeah. They should make she cycle routes. Where they are none cyclists should take their chances or get off and walk.its not a question of being scared. Some roads are entirely unsuitable for cycling. Some roads don't allow cycling. some pavement based cycle routes join up with the wider cycle network and may not allow direct access to the adjacent road due to a barrier.
And nobody should be judgemental about anyone wanting to avoid cycling in traffic like this, for example:
I think it would always be better for dedicated cycle lanes.
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I think I've had enough of you already.
My urban experience will be better without your crap.
You know cyclists have been campaigning for proper infrastructure for over 50 years now and our car obsessed society doesn't consider it a priority. In fact in recent years where decent infrastructure has been provided car groups, taxi driver groups, businesses and media all do everything they can to get it ripped out again, and often they succeed.
maomao
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Do you think cyclists shouldn't cycle in places where they're legally allowed to cycle? Cause that's just bananas. You're a fruitcake.
Yes. I think that's a shame. Cyclists need safer facilities.
fuck that. We're legal and we have a right to travel on our bikes.
I think cyclists shouldn't be allowed to share space with pedestrians and that they shouldn't have to share spaces with cars.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Except as is made clear by the hwc on the pavement
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