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[Blagsta]

If the neglect was intentional? many people have seizures or comas from mis managing a disease, whilst having sole care of their child. does this make them bad parents.

Unintentional neglect is still neglect. If someone cannot look after their own health to the point where it puts their children at risk, then yes, it calls their parenting ability into question. Or at least points to the need for extra support to help them parent.

 

[girasol]

Using whilst having children in your sole care is pretty high on the list in this country! It constitutes neglect.

I have to agree with this. Also in the report it said her child might have been alone for 17 hours after she died...

 

[Thora]

She could have been hit by a meteorite... but she wasn't, she chose to do something with a high risk of death while in sole charge of a baby. Which is pretty negligent.

Getting smashed on cider while alone with your baby is pretty negligent too.

 

[Blagsta]

I wouldn't have thought so; lord knows I often had a few beers whilst in sole charge of the Broglets...but I'd have thought that there has to be some question over the parenting of the father in this case. Th leave your infant alone with a heroin dependent mother doesn't look too clever.

Getting extremely pissed in sole charge of a young child is neglect, yes.

 

[spanglechick]

If the neglect was intentional? many people have seizures or comas from mis managing a disease, whilst having sole care of their child. does this make them bad parents.

if they're consciously/deliberately mis-managing that risk, regardless of the resultant impairment of their responsiveness or chance of death the fuck yes, that's neglectful.

 

[Thora]

If the neglect was intentional? many people have seizures or comas from mis managing a disease, whilst having sole care of their child. does this make them bad parents.

Few people WANT to neglect their children or be unsafe parents, most people love their children, but doing things that put your children at significant risk whether deliberately or not does constitute poor parenting.

 

[spanglechick]

I wouldn't have thought so; lord knows I often had a few beers whilst in sole charge of the Broglets...but I'd have thought that there has to be some question over the parenting of the father in this case. Th leave your infant alone with a heroin dependent mother doesn't look too clever.

want to compare the death rates between 'a few beers' and 'intravenous heroin use'...?

 

[Citizen66]

penny drops... Still, seemed a bit uncalled for at first sight

The harshest points are the ones most likely to make the home run. But yeah.

 

[brogdale]

want to compare the death rates between 'a few beers' and 'intravenous heroin use'...?

Oh yes, but I was responding to the notion of "use" per se. The simple fact of using whilst parenting cannot possibly be seen as neglect. Abuse to the point of incapacity or death is obviously different.

 

[Blagsta]

Oh yes, but I was responding to the notion of "use" per se. The simple fact of using whilst parenting cannot possibly be seen as neglect. Abuse to the point of incapacity or death is obviously different.

Using while having sole responsibility for young children constitutes neglect. If someone is out of it, then their judgement is impaired and they are emotionally unavailable.

 

[Citizen66]

She could have been hit by a meteorite... but she wasn't, she chose to do something with a high risk of death while in sole charge of a baby. Which is pretty negligent.

Getting smashed on cider while alone with your baby is pretty negligent too.

If she fucked off to the pub and left the baby indoors alone for a couple of hours everyone would be appalled. But compared with a fatal OD, at least she was coming back to care for him.

 

[spanglechick]

Oh yes, but I was responding to the notion of "use" per se. The simple fact of using whilst parenting cannot possibly be seen as neglect. Abuse to the point of incapacity or death is obviously different.

tbf, i'd also say that being a parent and pursuing an insanely dangerous hobby like juggling chainsaws or climbing everest in a bikini is pretty shit parenting too.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

The harshest points are the ones most likely to make the home run. But yeah.

Hmmm.....I dont think the point needed to be made at someone else's expense.

 

[brogdale]

Using while having sole responsibility for young children constitutes neglect. If someone is out of it, then their judgement is impaired and they are emotionally unavailable.

Using what? Everything? Including Bishop's Finger?

 

[Citizen66]

Hmmm.....I dont think the point needed to be made at someone else's expense.

Why was it at someone else's expense?

 

[Blagsta]

Using what? Everything? Including Bishop's Finger?

The topic is heroin. Using heroin. But also using any drug to the point of incapacity/impaired judgement.

 

[Citizen66]

Bang to rights here...

 

[Thora]

Using what? Everything? Including Bishop's Finger?

Being so drunk that you're out of it while caring for a baby is a pretty big problem too isn't it?

 

[brogdale]

The topic is heroin. Using heroin. But also using any drug to the point of incapacity/impaired judgement.

Oh OK. It's just that the comment earlier that said "using" seemed pretty open-ended. Even on the specifics of heroin I'd have thought that there have been many addicts in the past that might well have been able to parent quite competently? I'd go back to my earlier point about the father though; was it good parenting to leave the infant with her alone? I'm assuming he wasn't using as well?

 

[Citizen66]

Being so drunk that you're out of it while caring for a baby is a pretty big problem too isn't it?

Well social services and the police seem to think so.

 

[Citizen66]

Oh OK. It's just that the comment earlier that said "using" seemed pretty open-ended. Even on the specifics of heroin I'd have thought that there have been many addicts in the past that might well have been able to parent quite competently? I'd go back to my earlier point about the father though; was it good parenting to leave the infant with her alone? I'm assuming he wasn't using as well?

Christ, he thought she was clean. Is he accountable for her actions?

 

[spanglechick]

Oh OK. It's just that the comment earlier that said "using" seemed pretty open-ended. Even on the specifics of heroin I'd have thought that there have been many addicts in the past that might well have been able to parent quite competently? I'd go back to my earlier point about the father though; was it good parenting to leave the infant with her alone? I'm assuming he wasn't using as well?

assumes that he knew. the responsibility is hers.

 

[brogdale]

Being so drunk that you're out of it while caring for a baby is a pretty big problem too isn't it?

Yeah, but my point was that I could handle a couple of Bishop's (use) and still parent effectively. Geddit?

 

[brogdale]

Christ, he thought she was clean. Is he accountable for her actions?

I wasn't aware of that. Is that so?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

The topic is heroin. Using heroin. But also using any drug to the point of incapacity/impaired judgement.

The topic is a 25 yr old young mother who died of a self administered overdose of heroin and who also seems to have been depressed. The two of these could be inextricably linked dont you think?

 

[brogdale]

The topic is a 25 yr old young mother who died of a self administered overdose of heroin and who also seems to have been depressed. The two of these could be inextricably linked dont you think?

Did the report suggest she was depressed as well?

 

[Citizen66]

I wasn't aware of that. Is that so?

Apparently this was a relapse. He went away for the weekend, his parents had both children on the Saturday night IIRC and returned the baby to her on the Sunday. She ODed when alone with the baby. He returned to find her body. I may have days mixed up but not times.

 

[Thora]

The topic is a 25 yr old young mother who died of a self administered overdose of heroin and who also seems to have been depressed. The two of these could be inextricably linked dont you think?

To be honest I don't think killing yourself while alone with your baby is great parenting either.

 

[Citizen66]

You avoided my question Bubbles.

 

[brogdale]

Apparently this was a relapse. He went away for the weekend, his parents had both children on the Saturday night IIRC and returned the baby to her on the Sunday. She ODed when alone with the baby. He returned to find her body. I may have days mixed up but not times.

And did he claim not to know she had any gear?