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sorry butchers, if you want me to read your posts carefully and remember them try a change in presentation style. I know its fun for you, but its exhausting for most everyone else. Ive already said its great that urban posters analyse everything to the degree that they do - i love that, and appreciate it.

I missed your response to the medical view i proposed, though yep, it means nothing to you, i could've guessed that. I think it means something.

I remember your contribution that said he funded Ickes TV station - i dont think that was true
I remember your contribution bad mouthing other posters. Well done for those.
You posted a picture from the Prodigy album - that made me laugh
Ive engaged with other points about sexism here at length and very clearly.
How am I doing?
Well
a) i didn't
b) I didn't
c) those were the days
d) What's that got to do with me. I made serious long winded posts about this that you translate into attacking or insulting you. it did not happen.
e) not so good.

And one more, i don't care if you read my posts carefully. I don't care if anyone does. It would be nice if they do because some thought goes into them. If you don't then don't, but don't make up stuff about insults and attacks please.
 
/... bi-polar isnt really a thing in itself, more a spectrum of conditions, on which medical knowledge is still pretty hazy. There are lots of people diagnosed with bipolar who appear to act in very different ways.
I am not sure I agree with that wholly. I have an interest in bipolar since contracting it as a late onset acute condition in 2004, I have spent months in hospital with bipolar people, spent time with psychiatrists and psychologists and key workers of various kinds, read very widely about it and still spend hours a week on bipolar forums where the main topic of discussion is the condition itself.

Yes there is variety in how people present with it but the theme is consistent, an inability to control mood swings which in the main are more significant than those of the general public. Some people go up (Hypomania and Mania), some go down (depression), some cycle over a period of years, some a period of months while others sometimes cycle multiple times every day (Rapid cycling). When down people with the condition can self harm or consider or commit suicide, when up they can get grandiose ideas, can have great personal confidence, can exhibit pressure of speech, can be very creative, are often sexually promiscuous and can be profligate with money, sometimes running up large debts.

Diagnosis is that this is an affective disorder, there are graduations of diagnosis, starting with cyclothymia (which Spike Milligan I believe had), then bipolar II (which I think Stephen Fry has and probably Russell Brand also) then perhaps the most serious bipolar I in which the up stage includes psychosis and loss of all control and usually requires immediate hospitalisation.

My feeling is that Brand's condition, if he has one, is that he is up, hypomanic perhaps, probably for long periods, months or years. Perhaps he does not go down, it does happen but I recognise in his mannerisms very similar things to that which I observe in bipolar people when they are up. And in myself also.
 
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i think there are posters on this thread who will have felt attacked or their opinions belittled butchers, and they responded saying as much, i dont think i made that up. anyhow, its been an interesting thread as per usual - sure beats the twitter sphere.

My feeling is that Brand's condition, if he has one, is that he is up, hypomanic perhaps, probably for long periods, months or years. Perhaps he does not go down, it does happen but I recognise in his mannerisms very similar things to that which I observe in bipolar people when they are up. And in myself also.
thanks for that, and hope things work out well for you.
agree about the hypomanic bit.
I think there is anecdotal evidence that people also get misdiagnosed to some extent as bipolar, as there are a variety of ways that it expresses itself which can make it a bit of a catch all category. I think there are debates as to what exactly bipolar means, or at least there were a few years ago. i think im right to say it isnt as solid medical a definition as say, malaria. Like you say, the cycles can be very different as can the symptoms.
 
all the thrusting young anarchist types are supporting russell brand's call for revolution, on facebook.

on my facebook all the shuffling middle-aged anarchists are grumbling about it whilst the liberals are whining because russell is their god and he's not being supported by us.

i don'tt know any young people (anarchist or otherwise) so i can;t comment.

i think the issue is that the liberals feel betrayed. they've found an orator they approve of and an oration they can follow but the radicals are naysaying and not giving them any cookies for being revolutionary.
 
on my facebook all the shuffling middle-aged anarchists are grumbling about it whilst the liberals are whining because russell is their god and he's not being supported by us.

i don'tt know any young people (anarchist or otherwise) so i can;t comment.

i think the issue is that the liberals feel betrayed. they've found an orator they approve of and an oration they can follow but the radicals are naysaying and not giving them any cookies for being revolutionary.

Exactly this.
 
i've hardly seen anyone who's not political or who isn't on here who's quoted his stuff
on my facebook all the shuffling middle-aged anarchists are grumbling about it whilst the liberals are whining because russell is their god and he's not being supported by us.

i don'tt know any young people (anarchist or otherwise) so i can;t comment.

i think the issue is that the liberals feel betrayed. they've found an orator they approve of and an oration they can follow but the radicals are naysaying and not giving them any cookies for being revolutionary.
 
Brand is probably similar to Adam Ant in the way that his career and fame and being constantly busy keep the worst aspects of his mental condition at bay, but once the decline happens the negative aspects come back with a vengeance.

On Brand's radio show David Walliam's stated that his (Brand's) sex addiction was a mental illness, after seeing it up close.
 
Brand is probably similar to Adam Ant in the way that his career and fame and being constantly busy keep the worst aspects of his mental condition at bay, but once the decline happens the negative aspects come back with a vengeance.

On Brand's radio show David Walliam's stated that his (Brand's) sex addiction was a mental illness, after seeing it up close.

How close?
 
so glad i dont have facebook at the moment by the sounds of things. already had a few friends IRL asking me if i have seen this blistering interview. hes not even funny...
 
let's like him then.
im not asking anyone to like him, but since the discussion became about him and who he really was i was trying to present a more nuanced view of him than the cartoonish drivel-mongering multimillionaire conspiracy loon sexist new age quack one i felt was being painted on this thread. i've got sympathy for him, from self-harming teen to manic adult.
 
Personally I think the significance of the Brand interview exists independent of Brand (no shit says the semiologists at the back), whatever confused ideas Brand quite eloquently articulated come secondary to the fact that there is someone on news night arguing that electoral politics are dead and revolution is not just the answer but quite inevitable.

I'd suggest Brand is to be treated as nothing more than a dipstick, in all senses of the term.
 
http://disillusionedmarxist.wordpress.com/2013/10/26/your-idol-has-feet-of-clay/

Let me know if there's anything I've missed or need to take out

well put/well argued piece, hard to disagree with much of it ( though I'm personally pretty conflicted on it all.)

"And are the working class really that stupid that they need a celebrity writing in the New Statesman, a magazine aimed at self-described “opinion formers”, to tell them to wake up, that the great men speak and they will follow?"

To which the answer is obviously no , but with a 1000 atomised, disparate struggles taking place everywhere, everyday, from global stages to iindividual workplaces and communities, it's can undoubtedly be a source of strength and re-invigoration to sometimes look up and see/hear someone talking the kind of fundamantal political truths on national tv that are very, very rarely seen/heard on that medium.

Of course the likes of Brand are only going to get that kind of platform because of who / what they are, it's a given, but the effect that has on the impact of the message works both ways, undermining it to some, causing other to listen up , and some of us to just enjoy hearing what we already know broadcast on a newsnight.
 
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