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Papers, please - covid passport bollocks

It can be collected. There is no requirement to collect. There is no reason to share it with a third party.

All I have said is that patients have no right to such information.

I've edited my earlier post to say that collection of this data is allowed, not required.

However, the data can almost certainly be shared with third parties if there is a compelling reason to do so - and certainly in terms of agency staff, or service user requests, inoculation status as recorded can be used by a manager to select appropriate staff. No disclosures would be required btw, for this to happen.
 
Managers do not have access to such records. Occupational Health do.
Other members of medical staff would also have access if they wanted, as they wouldn't be able to do their job if they couldn't access medical records. It might not be ethical to access a colleague's records but they could if they wanted.

As for not being able to choose which staff treat you I think you'll find that these days you can choose where you go to get treatment just as you can choose your GP as I did when my previous GP proved to be incompetent.
 
I've edited my earlier post to say that collection if this data is allowed, not required.

The data can almost certainly be shared with third parties if there is a compelling reason to do so - and certainly in terms of agency staff, or service user requests, inoculation status as recorded can be used by a manager to select appropriate staff. No disclosures would be required btw, for this to happen.
Patients have no right to know medical information (including vaccination status) of care staff in NHS bispitals. Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary...
 
Other members of medical staff would also have access if they wanted, as they wouldn't be able to do their job if they couldn't access medical records. It might not be ethical to access a colleague's records but they could if they wanted.

As for not being able to choose which staff treat you I think you'll find that these days you can choose where you go to get treatment just as you can choose your GP as I did when my previous GP proved to be incompetent.
You are free to refuse treatment. You are not able to demand treatment on your terms it you have refused treatment.
 
Other members of medical staff would also have access if they wanted, as they wouldn't be able to do their job if they couldn't access medical records. It might not be ethical to access a colleague's records but they could if they wanted.

As for not being able to choose which staff treat you I think you'll find that these days you can choose where you go to get treatment just as you can choose your GP as I did when my previous GP proved to be incompetent.

Staff accessing other staff medical records without authorisation is gross misconduct.
 
I've edited my earlier post to say that collection of this data is allowed, not required.

I would add that I can easily imagine a situation where a healthcare organisation gets into trouble for not having information on staff inoculation status. And whereas potential legal trouble for having it unjustifiably would be under GDPR, potential legal trouble for not having it would more likely be a safeguarding issue, which is far more serious.
 
I would add that I can easily imagine a situation where a healthcare organisation gets into trouble for not having information on staff inoculation status. And whereas potential legal trouble for having it unjustifiably would be under GDPR, potential legal trouble for not having it would more likely be a safeguarding issue, which is far more serious.

Exactly. Health and social care - as an actually existing phenomena - involves constantly weighing up different rights and duties, in a context of constant chaos.
 
It really is, you know. Vaccinations save lives.

Going back to my dad again, one of the hardships they've faced this year is that my mum hasn't had any respite care weeks. When the care homes reopen next month, they'll be demanding tests and vaccination certificates from patients before they're allowed to enter the building. Again, if they are allowed to demand that of my dad, why is he (or his advocate) not allowed to demand to know that the staff are as safe for him as he is for them? He's the vulnerable person in this scenario, remember.

You seem to only see from the perspective of top-down power.
And to be clear, I think it's unreasonable (and unnecessary) to demand tests or vaccinations for patients to access services, though clearly if you argue it from one side, it undermines any argument you (not you personally, to be clear) might try to make when the roles are reversed.
 
Demand? Why demand anything when you can just politely ask?
You appear to be suggesting that patients have or should have some sort of right, and should be able to demand if politely asking is met with a polite refusal to divulge.

Apologies if I've misunderstood your position.
 
And to be clear, I think it's unreasonable (and unnecessary) to demand tests or vaccinations for patients to access services, though clearly if you argue it from one side, it undermines any argument you (not you personally, to be clear) might try to make when the roles are reversed.
Depends what the service is. The service I'm talking about above is respite care, whereby my dad goes into a home for a week or two to give my mum a break. She's theoretically entitled to four weeks a year. It's been a struggle for her not to have that along with the day centre closed and theoretically supposed to be shielding (she mostly hasn't been shielding, but that's for the parenting your parents thread :D).

For that service, it would be madness not to demand negative covid tests before admittance tbh. Iirc they're asking for two negative results, a few days apart, before admittance.
 
Next time I’m at the pharmacy and the nice lady behind the till says ‘hi Mr Bedlam, we’ve got your quetiapine order’ and it’s loud enough for other people to hear (not because this was intended, but because she’s a human being who is just trying to do her job), should I

  • a) say cheers and not get bothered because it’s really not the end of the world
  • b) say cheers, don’t get bothered, but politely request that she doesn’t need to state the mediation, just let me know my ‘script is ready
  • c) TAKE THE CUNT TO COURT!!!!

You’re going to cause yourself a lot of unnecessary upset if you go through life worrying about what other people think of you
 
You appear to be suggesting that patients have or should have some sort of right, and should be able to demand if politely asking is met with a polite refusal to divulge.

Apologies if I've misunderstood your position.

No, I’m saying that if an HCP politely (or otherwise) refuses to divulge their vaccination status then the person asking them will know they haven’t had the vaccine.
 
No, I’m saying that if an HCP politely (or otherwise) refuses to divulge their vaccination status then the person asking them will know they haven’t had the vaccine.
Not necessarily. I would be surprised if people would not say, "that is personal information" to protect their unvaccinated colleagues.
 
I mean it really shouldn’t come down to bourgeois human rights nonsense. We need health and social care staff to get vaccinated. The longer they don’t the worse the ‘treatment’ for their hesitancy will be. The question then is how can vaccine compliance be achieved in the care workforce most swiftly and with the least encroachment of state and capital in our personal lives.

For me it would make sense to give social care staff 2 weeks paid leave after being vaccinated - allow a couple of days off to get through unpleasant post-injection symptoms, and the rest of the fortnight to sweeten the deal.
 
No they won't
It changes the odds massively. MiB is right. Within care right now, people are very vocal in making it clear they've been vaccinated. Care homes are making a point of making it clear that all their staff are vaccinated. Mojo pixy is right that the motivation for that might not be noble - most care homes are private businesses and it is good business to make this stuff public - but still, it is happening.
 
Or report to the Information Commissioner.

Yeah it’s not quite like 1984 just yet. You telling the ICO isn’t going to result in the info that’s been shared being un-shared.

Maybe they’re working on the men in black memory erasing pen things
 
It changes the odds massively. MiB is right. Within care right now, people are very vocal in making it clear they've been vaccinated. Care homes are making a point of making it clear that all their staff are vaccinated. Mojo pixy is right that the motivation for that might not be noble - most care homes are private businesses and it is good business to make this stuff public - but still, it is happening.
Publicly sharing with people you've have the vaccine is easy the most tedious aspect of all this. We don't give a shit.
 
Yeah it’s not quite like 1984 just yet. You telling the ICO isn’t going to result in the info that’s been shared being un-shared.

Maybe they’re working on the men in black memory erasing pen things
But it will get the organisation warned not to don't to others. What have you got against right to privacy?
 
On the ‘right’ to keep patients from knowing the shameful secret of you being some anti-vaccine nutter and/or your morbid terror of needles

1) you might have such a right, but I wouldn’t be certain of it

2) in reality this ‘right’ won’t stop people from discovering that you’re a paranoid weirdo who’s spent too much time doing internet ‘research’, and nor will it stop them making all sorts of judgements about you

3) if what you’re focussed on is your legal rights, and being hyper vigilant in protecting - of all things - your right to ‘privacy’, you’re in the wrong place. Everyone else would have gone mad if they thought like that
 
I remember when poor Lee Rigby got murdered. Haven’t seen the staff from back then (and there) in ages, but given their views on (((who))) was behind that (and 9/11 obvs) I don’t feel confident they’ve got their jabs in just yet.
 
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