Papers, please - covid passport bollocks

[mojo pixy]

The reason I ask is because I recently discovered that my neighbour, who is a care worker going into people's own homes rather than in care homes, wasn't offered a jab as a priority but had to wait until her age cohort was offered.

Her employer / agency is being slack. Very very poor. All care workers can book themselves in for the vaccine, as long they have a note from the employer / agency - who should be facilitating that as best they can. A lot of very low-standards care agencies and employers out there though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This might be a bit of a tangent, but are your parents still in their own home or in a care home?

The reason I ask is because I recently discovered that my neighbour, who is a care worker going into people's own homes rather than in care homes, wasn't offered a jab as a priority but had to wait until her age cohort was offered.

If we're concerned about protecting the vulnerable, this appears to me to be potentially far more significant than whatever number of care workers are are actually refusing to be vaccinated.

Own home. I asked about vaccination back in January, and at that point all the carers had already had their first jabs. They were given their jabs before my parents got theirs.

 

[mojo pixy]

That doesn't answer my question..

You haven't really answered mine though, so let's call it quits.

Otherwise, do you have info on the spread of covid in hospitals and care homes (where everyone wears PPE) compared to the spread in pubs, parks, shops and the street etc (where most people don't)?

I don't have this info, but I suspect it will address the question quite well, if you find it.

 

[mojo pixy]

Because flu doesn't kill 100,000+ a year whereas covid does.

Where did 100000 people catch it? In hospital? In care homes? From professionals wearing PPE?

 

[WouldBe]

Where did 100000 people catch it? In hospital? In care homes? From professionals wearing PPE?

Quite a few did.

 

[mojo pixy]

Quite a few did.

How many?

 

[Border Reiver]

so this is what you're reduced to.

And multiple hospitals individually requiring it according to people seeking to work in EU countries about two years ago. Plus most hospitals in the US able to do so because they are "right to work" states with no protection against dismissal without cause.

 

[Border Reiver]

Influenza is meant to cover only older people and particularly vulnerable people, intended to get a reach much less than herd immunity. Covid immunisation is intended to achieve herd immunity.

 

[WouldBe]

How many?

No idea but there were plenty of cases on the news where covid swept through several care homes and at the start even hospitals weren't separating covid / non covid patients.

 

[mojo pixy]

No idea but there were plenty of cases on the news where covid swept through several care homes and at the start even hospitals weren't separating covid / non covid patients.

I saw it happen, thanks. People were catching it from other patients in hospital, then being sent to woefully underfunded / understaffed care homes by trusts keen to keep their death rates down. There, they were not properly isolated because of logistical-financial reasons (aka We can't do that it's too expensive!)

Blame hospital managers and care home owners, not staff who 100% did their best in shitty situations.

Kicking downwards ffs.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I saw it happen, thanks. People were catching it from other patients in hospital, then being sent to woefully underfunded / understaffed care homes by trusts keen to keep their death rates down. There, they were not properly isolated because of logistical-financial reasons (aka We can't do that it's too expensive!)

Blame hospital managers and care home owners, not staff who 100% did their best in shitty situations.

Kicking downwards ffs.

I don't think anybody here is blaming staff.

But you and I have a different idea about what constitutes shitting on staff, I think. Bad pay and conditions and failure to provide proper equipment or a timely appointment for a vaccination - these are all examples of shitting on staff. Requiring staff who deal face to face with extremely vulnerable people to take a life-saving vaccine (where they are not contraindicated) to protect those people during a pandemic isn't.

 

[mojo pixy]

I don't think anybody here is blaming staff.

But you and I have a different idea about what constitutes shitting on staff, I think. Bad pay and conditions and failure to provide proper equipment or a timely appointment for a vaccination - these are all examples of shitting on staff. Requiring staff who deal face to face with extremely vulnerable people to take a life-saving vaccine to protect those people isn't.

And so to sum up, we don't make staff get a flu vaccination because..?
Or, we trust staff not to spread flu by wearing PPE but not covid, because..?

Take your pick.

To be honest this isn't even an argument I want to have. Or need to, I've had both jabs and I tell everyone to have theirs.

I'm just irked by the inconsistency, because I can't explain it to my own satisfaction.

 

[Border Reiver]

This is quite a step down from your original claim!

And it's not mandatory anywhere as far as I can find, for healthcare staff to have a flu jab; it's mandatory in some places to either have it, or mask up on shift. Which is quite different.

Colorado and Illinois.

Any individual hospitals in the US and elsewhere.

 

[mojo pixy]

Yes, you've said it already. But some private hospitals in a couple of US states isn't 'many countries' which is what you originally claimed. Plus I strongly suspect in most if not all places it's really have the flu jab or mask up on shift rather than have the flu jab or fuck off.

And even if it is the latter, it's extremely uncommon even in the USA, let alone the rest of the world. And by extremely uncommon I mean almost unheard of.

 

[Pickman's model]

And multiple hospitals individually requiring it according to people seeking to work in EU countries about two years ago. Plus most hospitals in the US able to do so because they are "right to work" states with no protection against dismissal without cause.

your original claim was about many countries. now you're reduced to multiple hospitals. what next, the occasional ward?

 

[Pickman's model]

And multiple hospitals individually requiring it according to people seeking to work in EU countries about two years ago. Plus most hospitals in the US able to do so because they are "right to work" states with no protection against dismissal without cause.

there are 6,090 hospitals in the united states (Fast Facts on U.S. Hospitals, 2021 | AHA). could you tell me, with proof, which of them require this vaccination? none of your weasel 'most hospitals ... are able to do so', let's get down to the precise numbers. i'll see you back here some time next month for the answers.

 

[Border Reiver]

there are 6,090 hospitals in the united states (Fast Facts on U.S. Hospitals, 2021 | AHA). could you tell me, with proof, which of them require this vaccination? none of your weasel 'most hospitals ... are able to do so', let's get down to the precise numbers. i'll see you back here some time next month for the answers.

ALL THE HOSPITALS IN COLORADO AND ILLINOIS. As per my reference above. It is state law.

 

[Border Reiver]

]
Colorado
Hospitals must offer vaccine and report status
Employees can only decline flu shot due to medical exemption

Illinois
Hospitals must offer vaccine and report status
Employees can only decline flu shot due to medical or religious exemption

 

[cupid_stunt]

I hear the Principality of Sealand has made flu jabs mandatory, but they are weird, they have a policy of shooting boat happy people.

 

[Pickman's model]

]
Colorado
Hospitals must offer vaccine and report status
Employees can only decline flu shot due to medical exemption

Illinois
Hospitals must offer vaccine and report status
Employees can only decline flu shot due to medical or religious exemption

so that's 119 hospitals for colorado and 142 in illinois. so 261/6090, or 4.29% of all hospitals in the united states.

 

[Border Reiver]

]
Colorado
Hospitals must offer vaccine and report status
Employees can only decline flu shot due to medical exemption

Illinois
Hospitals must offer vaccine and report status
Employees can only decline flu shot due to medical or religious exemption

so that's 119 hospitals for colorado and 142 in illinois. so 261/6090, or 4.29% of all hospitals in the united states.

And many EU hospitals.

Sealioning again I see.

 

[Pickman's model]

ALL THE HOSPITALS IN COLORADO AND ILLINOIS. As per my reference above. It is state law.

you don't recall what you wrote, do you.

Plus most hospitals in the US able to do so because they are "right to work" states with no protection against dismissal without cause.

i'd like a full accounting of these 'most hospitals'.

 

[Border Reiver]

And many EU hospitals.

Sealioning again I see.

 

[Pickman's model]

And many EU hospitals.

Sealioning again I see.

you've been shown to be a liar. with your many countries. so you might show a bit of contrition.

 

[Pickman's model]

And many EU hospitals.

name 20 of them. with links to the evidence

 

[Border Reiver]

you don't recall what you wrote, do you.
i'd like a full accounting of these 'most hospitals'.

Able to do so as not denied by law, especially in right to work states.

 

[Pickman's model]

Able to do so as not denied by law, especially in right to work states.

yes, i read that the first time. so let's see you roll up your sleeves and do some proper research into how many of these hospitals which are able to impose the vaccination on staff actually do.

 

[Border Reiver]

yes, i read that the first time. so let's see you roll up your sleeves and do some proper research into how many of these hospitals which are able to impose the vaccination on staff actually do.

And Australia

Flu shots to be mandatory for hospital staff in high-risk roles

Rules announced on Thursday could see nurses, doctors and administrative staff who refuse to get flu jab moved to positions where they pose less risk to patients.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Border Reiver]

yes, i read that the first time. so let's see you roll up your sleeves and do some proper research into how many of these hospitals which are able to impose the vaccination on staff actually do.

 

[Pickman's model]

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ah yes this is behaviour typical of the 'lying cunt'