Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Medicine in terrifying mass human experiment shocker
Papers, please - covid passport bollocks
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Doctors killing kids. In the nhs. White supremacist talk that https://www.theguardian.com/healthc...07/hadiza-bawa-garba-doctor-make-same-mistake
Johnny Doe
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its partly because of real cases like this
Ministers lose fight to stop payouts over swine flu jab narcolepsy cases
Dozens of children who developed sleep disorder after getting vaccine could get compensation after high court rulingwww.theguardian.com
These NHS Staff Were Told The Swine Flu Vaccine Was Safe, And Now They're Suffering The Consequences
Dozens of NHS workers are fighting for compensation after developing narcolepsy from a swine flu vaccine that was rushed into service without the usual testing when the disease spread across the globe in 2009. They say it has destroyed their careers and their health.www.buzzfeed.com
I don't think the handful of tragic issues like the above in the huge sea of benefits from vaccination, is the reason vaccinating kids is a big discussion point. It's specifically pushed by anti-vaxxers because protecting our children is so emotive.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yep. Antivax arseholes will cling to anything they can find in order to keep their cult - and it is a cult - going.
ska invita
back on the other side
im not arguing but making the point that because there are real world cases protective parents panic, and that panic spreads
anyway this is a derail
Johnny Doe
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Yeah, I wasn't suggesting you were in that camp to be fair. Apologies if it appeared I was.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
I don’t think ska is wrong to make the point they made. None of loon stuff happens in a vaccuum. It
feeds off real tragedy injustice and fear; as well as being actively promoted by the shittiest people on the planet for the shittiest of purposes. See how antisemitism was being pushed to disabled people/those under th heel of the DWP during the Corbyn years. Or how Scientology target families bereaved by psychiatric malpractice
dead eyed scum eyeing up easy targets. More of it than we like to think
feeds off real tragedy injustice and fear; as well as being actively promoted by the shittiest people on the planet for the shittiest of purposes. See how antisemitism was being pushed to disabled people/those under th heel of the DWP during the Corbyn years. Or how Scientology target families bereaved by psychiatric malpractice
dead eyed scum eyeing up easy targets. More of it than we like to think
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Black Hebrew Israelites you see (well, used to see) in central and south london. funny how they so often come across as people you’d meet in an acute mental health ward.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Going on leave from the maudsley was always fun. Had someone from the ‘Islamic Centre in london’ (or some such) try to get me to convert and come off my meds (no suicide in Saudi Arabia you see) - in between explaining to me how 9/11 was a set up.
I do honestly respect your principled stand, but in actual practice, my factor of "can't fucking wait for a class pub with an excellent choice of real-quality draught pints on offer", just could lead to compromises .....
For instance ....
Definitions of 'normality' may end up being flexible!
Fuck that shit, man!
dessiato
🇪🇸 my spirit is crying for leaving
Wish I'd been in Portugal last night, even though the wrong team won. Watching Porto playing, in Porto, was always fun. (Except for the time I went into a Benfica bar to watch Benfica v Porto wearing a Porto scarf. Porto won 5-2, I celebrated quietly)
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
I didn't get to where I am today, by being vaccinated as a kid.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I went out at tea time for a couple of beers and a plate of snails but came home to watch the Chelsea Porto game. The outside TV in the bar is too small. Weird how despite the low levels of covid in both Portugal and the UK both legs are being played in Seville due to no direct flights.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Dunno if there's already a thread it's being discussed on, but what do people make of this?
www.unison.org.uk
Government must step in to prevent vaccine strong-arm tactics towards care staff | News, Press release | News | UNISON National
Companies should be informing not intimidating employees
www.unison.org.uk
Like, I think people should get the vaccine and refusing to get it is bad, but I also reckon I'm on the union's side here. Would anyone agree with what Barchester Healthcare's doing?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This has come up before. My opinion on it is pretty much unchanged. I would far rather persuasion than coercion, but I don't think it is unreasonable for those who depend on carers to expect those carers to be vaccinated. They are one of the most vulnerable groups in society and deserve protection.Dunno if there's already a thread it's being discussed on, but what do people make of this?
Government must step in to prevent vaccine strong-arm tactics towards care staff | News, Press release | News | UNISON National
Companies should be informing not intimidating employees
Like, I think people should get the vaccine and refusing to get it is bad, but I also reckon I'm on the union's side here. Would anyone agree with what Barchester Healthcare's doing?
Border Reiver
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No problem vaccinating kids once the vaccines have been properly tested on their age group. Until then it would probably be reckless.
mojo pixy
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Dunno if there's already a thread it's being discussed on, but what do people make of this?
Government must step in to prevent vaccine strong-arm tactics towards care staff | News, Press release | News | UNISON National
Companies should be informing not intimidating employees
Like, I think people should get the vaccine and refusing to get it is bad, but I also reckon I'm on the union's side here. Would anyone agree with what Barchester Healthcare's doing?
I have to tell the agency staff I train that they may be offered less work if they don't get the vaccine. Not because of our policies but because clients are refusing agency staff who haven't been done. This is legal enough (companies get to choose what agency staff they have on their premises) but I suspect the companies doing this may ultimately fall foul of equality legislation, specifically regarding disability (people who can't have the vaccine because of health complaints)
I don't like it much, the flu vaccine for exanple is not mandatory (and flu is also a killer) but I certainly have no sympathy with vaccine refusniks who just don't wanna.
However I feel from the companies' perspective, this is less about vulnerable clients than with insurance premiums and optics. Otherwise, why make covid jabs mandatory but not flu?
Border Reiver
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Because influenza is almost only fatal in frail elderly. Plus people with influenza die quietly and cheaply at home, and do not fill general wards, affecting the health of others.
Border Reiver
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Hospital staff can be required to have certain vaccinations to work at all identities other generally or on specialist units. But this should only be required when justified. Many other countries already mandate flu vaccines for all health staff.
mojo pixy
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That's got nothing to do with it because so do disabled and elderly people with covid, now (see the new DNRs put in place during the last year). Plus flu kills more people than just elderly people (eg people with lung problems, heart problems, kidney problems, and people with broadly compromised immune systems). And most 'care work' (eg with Barchester) is looking after frail elderly people.
So, wrong, wrong, and wrong.
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andysays
Love and solidarity
I suspect there won't be a one size fits all standard Covid Passport the way some people seem to be talking about it.
I suspect there could be increasing examples of being asked to show either a record of vaccination or a recent negative test in order to access particular places or events, but as has been said before, both of those would be fairly easy to fake or borrow someone else's if people really wanted to get round it.
I suspect there could be increasing examples of being asked to show either a record of vaccination or a recent negative test in order to access particular places or events, but as has been said before, both of those would be fairly easy to fake or borrow someone else's if people really wanted to get round it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
As usual...
You make a good point about the flu, but right at this moment, it is covid19 that has brought the world to a standstill - and severely restricted services available to some of the most vulnerable. My dad is an example. The day centre he used to attend is closed due to covid, and respite care suspended, so my mum gets no relief, and they are very reliant on carers coming into their home twice a day. I think they are entitled to expect all carers to be covid vaccinated. They're in their late 80s and they are very vulnerable, so I checked that all the carers had been vaccinated. They have been. I'd have been pissed off if they hadn't.
andysays
Love and solidarity
The obvious question is, who decides when it's justified?
Border Reiver
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Flu deaths are usually at home or after a brief hospitisation. If flu was as vigilant and used as many bed days as Covid, we would have been in lockdown every year. Think!
mojo pixy
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We did not go into lockdown because of vulnerable people, but because whereas flu tends only to kill vulnerable people, covid kills anyone, vulnerable or not.
Think!
mojo pixy
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Out of interest, do you check about flu vaccine status, and would it bother you if the carers had not had one, say in the middle of flu season?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
No I haven't checked that, and flu and what to do about it is an issue that I've only really thought about since the start of the pandemic. As I said, you do make a good point about flu. But I don't think that affects the issue wrt covid vaccines.
Border Reiver
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We did not go into lockdown because of vulnerable people, but because whereas flu tends only to kill vulnerable people, covid kills anyone, vulnerable or not.
Think!
Flu kills very vulnerable people who either die at home or quickly in hospital. Covid kills vulnerable people and others in a manner that uses many bed days in hospital.
mojo pixy
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