Osama bin Laden May Have Chartered Saudi Flight Out of U.S. after 9/11

[Jazzz]

okay wreckhead, I appreciate where you are at. But consider this - what seems sane, and what seems like bonkers insanity simply depends on where your tent is pitched. So what seems quite unremarkable to me may seem bonkers to you, and what seems unremarkable to you may seem bonkers to others. And there's other stuff which seems bonkers to me.

The solution to all this is to recognise that this is all fine, free discussion is good, we are each just making up our own minds (well some of us are, anyway).

 

[axon]

And those heads-in-the-sand brigade might want to look at themselves here. I mean, here we have a purported FBI document which states that Osama Bin Laden, mankind's enemy no.1, was permitted to charter a plane out of the USA!

But oh no, must be some mistake surely, nothing to worry about

No, the mistake is in your understanding the meaning of the word "or".

For example the phrase "the plane was chartered by the Saudi royal family or Osama bin Laden" is not a statement that Osama bin laden was permitted to charter a plane.

 

[Jazzz]

No, the mistake is in your understanding the meaning of the word "or".

For example the phrase "the plane was chartered by the Saudi royal family or Osama bin Laden" is not a statement that Osama bin laden was permitted to charter a plane.

So... the FBI don't know? They cannot say that Osama Bin Laden didn't charter a plane out?

Look how you are covering for them! That's programming for you!

 

[axon]

So... the FBI don't know? They cannot say that Osama Bin Laden didn't charter a plane out?

I've noticed that the FBI haven't stated that the pink unicorns on the far side of the moon didn't charter a plane. Why are they protecting the unicorns!

tbh, I don't know whether Osama bin laden chartered a plane out of the US. But I do know that that document doesn't "state" (as you put it) that he did.

 

[Jazzz]

I've noticed that the FBI haven't stated that the pink unicorns on the far side of the moon didn't charter a plane. Why are they protecting the unicorns!

tbh, I don't know whether Osama bin laden chartered a plane out of the US. But I do know that that document doesn't "state" (as you put it) that he did.

What it says is that the FBI were investigating a flight which by their own admission may have been chartered by Osama himself - but instead of grounding it and giving all the occupants some 'extraordinary rendition' as one would expect, they had a quick peek at the luggage and waved it on its way!

You find nothing amiss in this, and yet think I'm the one with the aburdities?

I mean, who cares if Osama was on board or not, as long as he wasn't packing any contraband?

 

[axon]

Well I pretty sure Osama wasn't on board as that document says none of the passengers had known links to terrorism.

I would be interested in why it states that the plane may have been chartered by Osama bin laden. Is this because they had some evidence to suggest this, or is it because Osama is a Saudi and here was a plane chartered by Saudi's taking people called bin Laden out of the country just after 911?

Do you think that Osama bin laden and the US government were in on a plot?

 

[Jazzz]

Well I pretty sure Osama wasn't on board as that document says none of the passengers had known links to terrorism.

Oh well that's alright then, even if they caught a ride out of the country on Osama's plane, no link there!

Did you know, as a point of interest, that the the FBI doesn't even mention 9/11 on the list of things OBL is wanted for?

I would be interested in why it states that the plane may have been chartered by Osama bin laden. Is this because they had some evidence to suggest this, or is it because Osama is a Saudi and here was a plane chartered by Saudi's taking people called bin Laden out of the country just after 911?

Stone me, you are actually thinking to ask a question of some sort. Careful now!

Do you think that Osama bin laden and the US government were in on a plot?

I would prefer to think of it as the US government and their CIA agent Tim Osmond (google it) playing his role

 

[axon]

Oh well that's alright then, even if they caught a ride out of the country on Osama's plane, no link there!

Dickhead. It wasn't Osama's plane, was it? See previous posts and return to go. I'm interested in these sorts of threads mainly for the reason here. The lack of critical thinking. The last post I pointed out that there is no evidence that Osama chartered the planes, and in the next few posts here you are ignoring this point and again jumping to the conclusion Osama bin Laden chartered the planes.

Did you know, as a point of interest, that the the FBI doesn't even mention 9/11 on the list of things OBL is wanted for?

Yes I did know that. I've read a lot since 911 happened, and it got my interest due to the idiocy and lack of critical thinking of certain members of the public. Did you know that Osama was already wanted by the US authorities for the 1993 WTC bombing and the Kenya embassy bombings? Therefore the fact that Osama was not on a wanted list for 911, 8 days after 911, I think he would have still been noticed as an "individual connected with terrorism" when the FBI searched and interviewed the passengers on the Saudi chartered planes. What do you think? Do you think that Osama bin Laden and the US government conspied together to make 911 happen?

 

[Jazzz]

Dickhead. It wasn't Osama's plane, was it? See previous posts and return to go. I'm interested in these sorts of threads mainly for the reason here. The lack of critical thinking. The last post I pointed out that there is no evidence that Osama chartered the planes, and in the next few posts here you are ignoring this point and again jumping to the conclusion Osama bin Laden chartered the planes.

Yes I did know that. I've read a lot since 911 happened, and it got my interest due to the idiocy and lack of critical thinking of certain members of the public. Did you know that Osama was already wanted by the US authorities for the 1993 WTC bombing and the Kenya embassy bombings? Therefore the fact that Osama was not on a wanted list for 911, 8 days after 911, I think he would have still been noticed as an "individual connected with terrorism" when the FBI searched and interviewed the passengers on the Saudi chartered planes. What do you think? Do you think that Osama bin Laden and the US government conspied together to make 911 happen?

The lack of 'critical thinking' is all yours here.

You assume that the FBI are doing their job properly, in order to reach the conclusion that they are doing their job properly!

As you are interested in critical thinking, you will note that this is the fallacy known as begging the question

And how you seem to think it's okay for the official story to be true and OBL not to be wanted for 9/11 is quite beyond me

I've been heavily questioned on an El Al flight for simply having short hair and an arabic stamp in my passport. For others look arabic is quite enough... but the Bin Laden family fly out on Osama airlines and that's all okay? You couldn't make it up!

 

[Dandred]

I wonder why this thread was started while most of the mods are away in Glastonbury?

 

[wreckhead]

I wonder why this thread was started while most of the mods are away in Glastonbury?

I plead innocence!

 

[toggle]

I wonder why this thread was started while most of the mods are away in Glastonbury?

and the earlier spam fest

 

[axon]

And how you seem to think it's okay for the official story to be true and OBL not to be wanted for 9/11 is quite beyond me

Well, i think it is true that several terrorists flew planes into buildings on 9th sep 2001. I also think this is compatible with OBL not being on the wanted list for 911, what with him already being on the US's wanted listed for previous atrocities.

... but the Bin Laden family fly out on Osama airlines and that's all okay? You couldn't make it up!

And to correct you yet-a-fucking-again, there is no evidence that OBL chartered any planes (again your lack of the understanding of the word "or"). For the more retarted readers of the posts.....I think Jazzz chartered planes to fly Saudis out of the US. I have no evidence of this, but mere fact that I've stated it means it should be taken as true.

And as we all know everybody with the name bin Laden obviously has the same ideological views as Osama and is a terrorist. Which they may be, but I prefer to relay on those old-fashioned quaint ideas of evidence. As much as you would seem to like it, I don't think that the West should imprison anyone with the same name as bin Laden.

ETA If you believe Osam bin Laden charted a plane to get people out of the US surely you believe it was OBL AND the US government that were resposible for 911. Is this what you believe?

 

[London_Calling]

Another daft 'moon landing hoax'.

I'm telling ya, the shadows aren't right . . .

 

[wreckhead]

Having read the document a little more it does seem to debunk Michael Moore's claims that a Saudi flight had left the US before the national "flight ban" was lifted. Also it debunks the idea that the the passengers were not investigated/interviewed, which is an important development.

However, I do still find it strange that the FBI, whilst claiming that the other Bin Laden family members were not linked to Osama in the sense that they were half-brothers and had not been in contact with him, could then conclude that the flight MAY have been chartered by OBL himself.

 

[MikeMcc]

The lack of 'critical thinking' is all yours here.

You assume that the FBI are doing their job properly, in order to reach the conclusion that they are doing their job properly!

As you are interested in critical thinking, you will note that this is the fallacy known as begging the question

And how you seem to think it's okay for the official story to be true and OBL not to be wanted for 9/11 is quite beyond me

I've been heavily questioned on an El Al flight for simply having short hair and an arabic stamp in my passport. For others look arabic is quite enough... but the Bin Laden family fly out on Osama airlines and that's all okay? You couldn't make it up!

You get heavily questioned on EL Al flights full-stop, i've had it and I'm as Caucasian as they come.

 

[MikeMcc]

Having read the document a little more it does seem to debunk Michael Moore's claims that a Saudi flight had left the US before the national "flight ban" was lifted. Also it debunks the idea that the the passengers were not investigated/interviewed, which is an important development.

However, I do still find it strange that the FBI, whilst claiming that the other Bin Laden family members were not linked to Osama in the sense that they were half-brothers and had not been in contact with him, could then conclude that the flight MAY have been chartered by OBL himself.

The document was also supposedly written two days after the flight, nor does it mention if any of the passsengers had diplomatic status (a likelyhood for royalty), this would've meant that those individuals and their families couldn't be searched or questioned.

 

[Fruitloop]

 

[J77]

Glastonbury's finished, I give this thread until the end of the day...

 

[nino_savatte]

 

[Fruitloop]

The mystery solved with the aid of Microsoft Paint.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Fuck me. This deserves a thread of its own, surely. If not a forum.

 

[axon]

Having read the document a little more it does seem to debunk Michael Moore's claims that a Saudi flight had left the US before the national "flight ban" was lifted. Also it debunks the idea that the the passengers were not investigated/interviewed, which is an important development.

I agree with you. I wondered about whether these were the same flights that Moore was talking about in Fahrenheit 911.

However, I do still find it strange that the FBI, whilst claiming that the other Bin Laden family members were not linked to Osama in the sense that they were half-brothers and had not been in contact with him, could then conclude that the flight MAY have been chartered by OBL himself.

Yes, these seems to be the the only odd thing. As I said earlier though it may be that because of the bin Laden name someone may have suggested Osama chartered the flights, so they deserved the further investigations of interviewing passengers. I think this might be slightly more likely than Osama conspired with Bush to fly holographic planes into the WTC towers that had been prewired with invisible explosives.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

and of course these things can't be faked or stuck up on internetsites for others to see i mean look at this extract from an fbi communiquee i found linking the editor and urban75 to definate shenanigans...

 

[Flavour]

Garfield I heard you were on the plane that hit the North Tower but you survived - then jumped off the WTC, survived, and swam across the Atlantic to get home, surviving, and were then paid $3.8million by urban75 to make a mockery of the whole thing

 

[Jazzz]

and of course these things can't be faked or stuck up on internetsites for others to see i mean look at this extract from an fbi communiquee i found linking the editor and urban75 to definate shenanigans...

you're not helping garf

 

[Jazzz]

Fuck me. This deserves a thread of its own, surely. If not a forum.

Praise be, someone has realised that it makes no fucking sense whatsoever!!!!

 

[TAE]

and of course these things can't be faked or stuck up on internetsites for others to see i mean look at this extract from an fbi communiquee i found linking the editor and urban75 to definate shenanigans...

The jpeg artifacts give it away - use png next time.

 

[wreckhead]

I realise my little cropped screen grab is being severely mocked (both made me btw) but to drop a note of seriousness it came from the document linked to in my post - from the FBI to Judicial Watch (a conservative organisation as I understand). Now some fakery could have gone on there but then we're back in conspiracy land again.

It doesn't completely explain away this oddity, but it occured to me that maybe someone who typed "Saudi Royalty Family" may well have it in them to make a mistake and put the wrong Bin Laden.

 

[editor]

and of course these things can't be faked or stuck up on internetsites for others to see i mean look at this extract from an fbi communiquee i found linking the editor and urban75 to definate shenanigans...

I've been rumbled!

I would have got away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky 9/11 bedroom detectives and their clever web trawling ways!.