Opinion: "The End of Meat Is Here" - NY Times

[editor]

Only just seen this article from last year but I think it makes an interesting point:

Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions

Relative to other food sources, beef is uniquely carbon-intensive. Because cattle emit methane and need large pastures that are often created via deforestation, they produce seven times as many ghgs per calorie of meat as pigs do, and around 40% more than farmed prawns do. This makes beef a bigger outlier among foods than coal is among sources of electricity: burning coal generates just 14% more ghgs than burning oil, another common fuel.

These figures may understate the environmental benefits of shrinking the cattle population. Methane dissipates relatively fast, meaning that past bovine emissions soon stop warming the planet if those animals are not replaced. Such a change could also raise output of plant-based foods, by making land now used to grow animal feed available for other crops. It takes 33 plant calories to produce one calorie of beef.

The simplest way to cut beef output is for people to eat other animals instead, or become vegetarians. But convincing carnivores to give up their burgers is a tall order. Fortunately, lab-grown meats are moving from Petri dishes to high-end restaurants (see Technology Quarterly). Doing without beef from live cattle is hard to imagine, but the same was true of coal 100 years ago. Cultured meat could play an essential role in staving off a climate catastrophe.

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[Sasaferrato]

Only just seen this article from last year but I think it makes an interesting point:

Treating beef like coal would make a big dent in greenhouse-gas emissions



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OK, I appreciate it is your site, and you have carte blanche to say and do as you wish, but this is now beyond tedious.

 

[two sheds]

1. put thread on ignore
2. sorted

 

[editor]

OK, I appreciate it is your site, and you have carte blanche to say and do as you wish, but this is now beyond tedious.

In what way is an informative post directly related to the topic of the thread 'beyond tedious'?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

1. put thread on ignore
2. sorted

It even works for removing tedious posters from one's world too.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

OK, I appreciate it is your site, and you have carte blanche to say and do as you wish, but this is now beyond tedious.

What exactly is tedious about this thread? Seems like it would have been easy for you to ignore based on the title if you are anti anti beef.

 

[Sasaferrato]

What exactly is tedious about this thread? Seems like it would have been easy for you to ignore based on the title if you are anti anti beef.

Mainly because the premise is absurd. Wishing something to be so, doesn't make it so. Meat will be in our diet for a long long time, probably forever.

Meat consumption is dropping due to cost, not desirability.

 

[klang]

Meat consumption is dropping due to cost, not desirability.

in my case it has def dropped due to desirability.

 

[Sasaferrato]

in my case it has def dropped due to desirability.

To each their own.

 

[ddraig]

Mainly because the premise is absurd. Wishing something to be so, doesn't make it so. Meat will be in our diet for a long long time, probably forever.

Meat consumption is dropping due to cost, not desirability.

HAHAHAHA! God you're priceless
So vegans (who only buy expensive processed or far flung foods, natch) are not buying meat because of it's cost??

Many many many more people are aware of the cruelty and barbarity in the meat and dairy industries and going with their conscience with increasing alternatives available to eat in and out. And the environmental impact too

Get a clue

 

[Funky_monks]

There ya go - from 150,000 to 542,000 in 10 years
The unstoppable rise of veganism: how a fringe movement went mainstream

The UK has a population of 67.22 million, for context, so not even 1% (unless the paper got it wrong)

 

[ddraig]

Of course the "end of meat is here" is clearly not true, that's why it's an opinion piece....

 

[Funky_monks]

Of course the "end of meat is here" is clearly not true, that's why it's an opinion piece....

Yes, the opinion of a fraction of that 1% - those who are pretty sure that either a) fossil fuel based fert is acceptable or b) don't really understand that plants need fert.

Anyway, not doing that again.

Edited to add....and the article is based on Poore and Nemeck, 2018 again

 

[WouldBe]

editor if beef produces 40% more ghgs than farmed prawns then how does that compare to wild prawns? because there must be billions of those in the world.

 

[Funky_monks]

The thing that I find quite interesting about these threads (in hindsight) is how in describing veganism etc, there appears to be a lot of use of terms like "overwhelming evidence, indisputably, "the" science clearly states" etc ( I should do some thematic analysis ), when a lot of what is being posted is numerous lay press articles written based on the same four journal articles, and of those mostly informed by one (Poore and Nemeck, 2018) I genuinely think that to non-scientists (who presumably instantly look at the reference list) giving the very real impression of a vast body of work.

Four articles is nobody's "overwhelming evidence" or indeed "substantial body of work".

For interest, I have referenced the four journal articles I think inform most of the press articles that have been posted on this thread:

Crippa, M., Solazzo, E., Guizzardi, D., Monforti-Ferrario, F., Tubiello, F.N. and Leip, A.J.N.F., 2021. Food systems are responsible for a third of global anthropogenic GHG emissions. Nature Food, 2(3), pp.198-209.

Poore, J. and Nemecek, T., 2018. Reducing food’s environmental impacts through producers and consumers. Science, 360(6392), pp.987-992.

Springmann, M., Spajic, L., Clark, M.A., Poore, J., Herforth, A., Webb, P., Rayner, M. and Scarborough, P., 2020. The healthiness and sustainability of national and global food based dietary guidelines: modelling study. bmj, 370.

Xu, X., Sharma, P., Shu, S., Lin, T.S., Ciais, P., Tubiello, F.N., Smith, P., Campbell, N. and Jain, A.K., 2021. Global greenhouse gas emissions from animal-based foods are twice those of plant-based foods. Nature Food, 2(9), pp.724-732.

 

[Sasaferrato]

HAHAHAHA! God you're priceless
So vegans (who only buy expensive processed or far flung foods, natch) are not buying meat because of it's cost??

Many many many more people are aware of the cruelty and barbarity in the meat and dairy industries and going with their conscience with increasing alternatives available to eat in and out. And the environmental impact too

Get a clue

(Yawn).

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Mainly because the premise is absurd. Wishing something to be so, doesn't make it so. Meat will be in our diet for a long long time, probably forever.

Meat consumption is dropping due to cost, not desirability.

He was posting the findings of an article, and it's certainly food for thought. Are you only objecting to the title?
Meat consumption has dropped in my house due to desirability. . . . . and environmental cost is also a cost.

 

[Yossarian]

(Yawn).

Poor Sass, he must have tripped and found this thread stuck to his eyeballs or something.

 

[ddraig]

(Yawn).

You're sooooo full of shit, even said you had me on ignore, berk!

 

[Sasaferrato]

You're sooooo full of shit, even said you had me on ignore, berk!

You can go back ignore any time you like cuntlugs.

 

[ska invita]

There ya go - from 150,000 to 542,000 in 10 years
The unstoppable rise of veganism: how a fringe movement went mainstream

The UK has a population of 67.22 million, for context, so not even 1% (unless the paper got it wrong)

Better stat would include vegetarians which outnumber vegans.
A better stat still would be meat consumption trends overall

 

[Funky_monks]

Better stat would include vegetarians which outnumber vegans.
A better stat still would be meat consumption trends overall

Why would that be a better stat?
Vegetarians consume dairy, and the dairy industry is also the beef industry. You don't get one without the other.

 

[Sasaferrato]

How do you know if someone is a vegan?

Don't worry, they'll tell you!

 

[ska invita]

Why would that be a better stat?

Because it gives you a closer figure towards any reduction in meat eating
Which is why I said

A better stat still would be meat consumption trends overall

 

[Funky_monks]

Because it gives you a closer figure towards any reduction in meat eating
Which is why I said

The thread title is the  end of meat. You don't get any end to meat production if dairying takes place.

 

[ska invita]

The thread title is the  end of meat. You don't get any end to meat production if dairying takes place.

You get to the end of meat by a continuous and steady reduction in the eating of meat.
That will express itself as a line on a graph going downwards.
Thats the important stat, not how many vegans you can count.

 

[Funky_monks]

You get to the end of meat by a continuous and steady reduction in the eating of meat.
That will express itself as a line on a graph going downwards.
Thats the important stat, not how many vegans you can count.

You will never reach an end to meat if dairying continues, sorry.
Gradual declines are immaterial to an end of consumption.

 

[ska invita]

You will never reach an end to meat if dairying continues, sorry.

no need to apologise. im sorry im wasting my time posting on this thread

 

[Funky_monks]

no need to apologise. im sorry im wasting my time posting on this thread

To be fair, if we are going to stop using fossil fuels, meat production becomes increasingly more necessary for effective cropping too.

So, unlikely to go anywhere really, although it could reduce.

 

[editor]

The thread title is the  end of meat. You don't get any end to meat production if dairying takes place.

For fuck's sake, Are you on knee-jerk auto repeat or something? All this was dull nit-picking was trawled through months, no, years ago, in this very thread.