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Kamala Harris' time is up

Who the hell is advising the Harris campaign? I thought these people were meant to be expert with special knowledge about swing voters interests?

It will all be extremely targeted stuff. And that's part of the problem, it doesn't leave a lot of room for a candidate to present themselves as a real human with a coherent worldview. You'll also have different PAC's with different agendas on the same 'side', like that one posting ads about how many psychologists who have never met Trump have diagnosed him with an incurable personality disorder. They're almost certainly right, but it's still unethical.

This election has also seen the most cynical targeting of the half-dozen states that actually matter. Hard to argue with the logic of that but if I was in any of the other states I'd be absolutely sick of it. And neither candidate has said a word about electoral college reform.
 
don't know if anyone's posted this today from The Guardian

Perhaps more interesting is this survey that the Guardian’s Robert Tait wrote up yesterday showing that Arab Americans are now narrowly leaning towards Donald Trump, after strongly backing Joe Biden in 2020. That shift is likely a consequence of Biden’s support for Israel’s invasion of Gaza following the 7 October attack, and could imperil Kamala Harris’s chances of winning the White House. Here’s more:

Arab Americans are slightly more likely to vote for Donald Trump than Kamala Harris, according to a new poll, in a worrying sign for the Democratic nominee’s chances of carrying the battleground state of Michigan, which is home to a large Arab American population.

The survey, conducted by the Arab News Research and Studies Unit along with YouGov, shows 43% supporting Trump compared with 41% for Harris, and 4% backing the Green Party candidate, Jill Stein.

The figures are broadly in line with a previous poll carried out this month by the Arab American Institute. Together they suggest that Harris’s support in the community has been undermined by the Biden administration’s backing for Israel’s year-long war against Hamas in Gaza.

The latest poll also shows Trump leading Harris by 39% to 33% on the question of which candidate would be most likely resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, while the candidates were tied at 38% apiece on who would be “better for the Middle East in general”.

Support for Trump is particularly striking given that the same poll shows twice as many respondents – 46% to 23% – think anti-Arab racism and hate crimes are likely to increase under a Trump presidency compared with under Harris.



Arab Americans slightly favor Trump over Harris, says new poll
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Musk’s PAC is micro-targeting Arab voters with claims that Harris supports Israel’s war machine. They’re also sending messages to Jewish people claiming she’s a Hamas supporter. They’re clearly getting a lot of reach with this.

Jill Stein is Putin-adjacent and has a specific job to do in getting Trump elected. Shilling for a petro state to get a ‘drill, baby, drill’ president into power seems more than a bit off-message for green politics.
 
Since Harris replaced Biden and got ahead in the polls, both national and the marginals, in a sense not much has happened. The 2 attempts on Trump's life - pretty much one and a half attempts really - didn't seem to have much immediate impact on the polls. However, here we are, with Trump ahead in most of the marginals. I won't link to any of the polls, but there's a clear direction of travel going on or, perhaps, a simple reversion, heading back to where the polls were before she entered the race. We're back to those 2 solid blocks of voters, with the Trump bloc just about immune to anything - admiration for Hitler's generals, further sexual assault allegations etc.

Intellectually, I can grasp the idea that large swathes of the electorate have travelled with Trump, the alt-right and others, to a point where 'normal' facts and events don't really matter. It is though depressing as fuck, how do you combat a world of lies? Where accusations and allegations against Trump are automatically disbelieved or ignored because the groundwork has been done to not only disbelieve Democrat/woke/Marxists/feminists/anyone else. It's also a process that leaves critics of Trump talking almost a different language to the people they need to persuade or at least sow the seeds of doubt amongst. And while this is about discourses, communication, a post truth society and plenty of other stuff, behind it are real life experiences and material interests. Tldr? If neoliberals treat people like shit for decades, don't be surprised if they are not that interested in their 'facts'.
 
There's little doubt that the global outbreaks of fascism over the last century are down to liberals.

What's the solution, though?

The liberals are never going to change. Never.

Perhaps they need locking up?

Yes, yes, they don't actually vote for fascists but they are much much worse than fascist followers/voters.

At a loss, now. What to do with them?
 
Since Harris replaced Biden and got ahead in the polls, both national and the marginals, in a sense not much has happened. The 2 attempts on Trump's life - pretty much one and a half attempts really - didn't seem to have much immediate impact on the polls. However, here we are, with Trump ahead in most of the marginals. I won't link to any of the polls, but there's a clear direction of travel going on or, perhaps, a simple reversion, heading back to where the polls were before she entered the race. We're back to those 2 solid blocks of voters, with the Trump bloc just about immune to anything - admiration for Hitler's generals, further sexual assault allegations etc.

Intellectually, I can grasp the idea that large swathes of the electorate have travelled with Trump, the alt-right and others, to a point where 'normal' facts and events don't really matter. It is though depressing as fuck, how do you combat a world of lies? Where accusations and allegations against Trump are automatically disbelieved or ignored because the groundwork has been done to not only disbelieve Democrat/woke/Marxists/feminists/anyone else. It's also a process that leaves critics of Trump talking almost a different language to the people they need to persuade or at least sow the seeds of doubt amongst. And while this is about discourses, communication, a post truth society and plenty of other stuff, behind it are real life experiences and material interests. Tldr? If neoliberals treat people like shit for decades, don't be surprised if they are not that interested in their 'facts'.

It is a significant amount but I don't think they are in the majority, even amongst the Trump electorate. His appeal has always been because he at least recognises that for an awful lot of people life is worse than they think it should be and he offers to do something about it wheras the status quo refuse to. Of course he will not do anything except make people's conditions worse, but whilst the opposition refuses to do anything substantive about the things that are glaringly wrong in society it is an easy sell for him to make.
 
There's little doubt that the global outbreaks of fascism over the last century are down to liberals.

What's the solution, though?

The liberals are never going to change. Never.

Perhaps they need locking up?

Yes, yes, they don't actually vote for fascists but they are much much worse than fascist followers/voters.

At a loss, now. What to do with them?
What?
 

Indeed.

It's very confusing. Trumpists tell me that left/liberal/Marxist folks are the real enemy - the real fascists.

Don't know where to look.

All this time, thought that the fascists were the populist wave that people like Trump carries along.
 
It is a significant amount but I don't think they are in the majority, even amongst the Trump electorate. His appeal has always been because he at least recognises that for an awful lot of people life is worse than they think it should be and he offers to do something about it wheras the status quo refuse to. Of course he will not do anything except make people's conditions worse, but whilst the opposition refuses to do anything substantive about the things that are glaringly wrong in society it is an easy sell for him to make.
And, as has been linked/posted on threads here, his 'promise' to voters is almost entirely expressed as a series of negatives, othering and fear generation. The actual 'policies' are almost an afterthought in his messaging, some simplistic waffle and bringing jobs back. It's pretty much the way his sentences run, a series of crazy accusations, which trail off into 'sad;, 'very bad people' or somesuch. He comes out with his blather and then looks away as if he doesn't have a punch line. It's a floating sea of nonsense, xenophobia and misanthropy, through which he somehow convinces enough voters that he's on their side. Doesn't convince a majority of people, he doesn't need that, just enough working class voters in certain places, getting them to join the bloc who vote Republican anyway and always.
 

There's always the hope that the issue of abortion could tip things in her favour.

One thing for sure, respect to her star power - Beyonce, Taylor, Bruce and Willie!!!

This is why I think Harris will win:

The emotional heart of the evening was the personal stories of Texas women who had nearly died from pregnancy-related complications because they did not receive proper care.

Ondrea, a Texas woman who appeared in a new Harris campaign, became emotional as she shared her harrowing experience after a miscarriage at 16 weeks and needing an emergency abortion that she was denied under the state’s law. A video played before her remarks showed her with a wound and scars that stretched down her body, from her breast to her pelvis, after a six-hour surgery in which she said doctors had to cut open her torso in order to save her life.

Texas residents Amanda and Josh Zurawski, who have become powerful surrogates for Harris on the campaign trail, also shared their story. At 18 weeks pregnant, Amanda Zurawski began to suffer complications and needed an abortion. There was no chance the foetus would survive, but doctors refused to terminate the pregnancy until she eventually developed sepsis, days later.
 
Surging in polls again

Yeah, but that's a national poll. Better than other recent national polls, which is a good sign, but everything I've seen recently in the swing states is Trump leaning. Still very close and, iirc, Harris needs slightly less swing state votes than Trump to get to 270. But, tbh, the swing state figures are not good.

We'll see, subterranean things may well be going on in the polls or perhaps something as straightforward as women coming out on Roe v Wade might do it.
 
anyone the nazi, i mean trump rally in msg last night

no longer even trying to not say the quiet part loud :hmm:
 


I’m not saying don’t be worried. I’m worried all the time. But I don’t worry about polls. I worry about who will control the narrative in this closing week, and where those still-undecided voters are going to land. I also know this about the closing week: It’s important to appear confident; to look like you know you’re going to win. Harris, with her still-massive crowds and her roster of surrogates giving killer speeches like Michelle Obama’s Saturday night, is doing a good job of that.
 
It is all very well UK Labour political peeps visiting the USA to advise Harris's campaign, but here in the UK they had a massive movement to get rid of the incumbent Tories. An Aardvark could have won. And of course in the USA Harris is the incumbent, I don't see that the labour peeps have that much of use to say.
 
Clinton doing Harris's election campaign absolutely no favours whatsoever:


Seriously, WTF?

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e2a: however there is a school of thought that this strategy by the Democrats is deliberate:

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Ritchie Torres for those , like me who did not know is:

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but is also described by some as:

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I've always found the "Good Old Boy Bill" thing to be a bit vomit-inducing, the man who saw through (with Biden) the instituting of the modern private prisons industry, bombed the shit out of multiple countries and aggressively pursued neoliberal economics. Of course he'll toe the line, there's nobody more Establishment than that prick.
 
Arnie is all in.

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I don’t really do endorsements. I’m not shy about sharing my views, but I hate politics and don’t trust most politicians.

I also understand that people want to hear from me because I am not just a celebrity, I am a former Republican Governor.My time as Governor taught me to love policy and ignore politics. I’m proud of the work I did to help clean up our air, create jobs, balance the budget, make the biggest infrastructure investment in state history, and take power from the politicians and give it back to the people when it comes to our redistricting process and our primaries in California. That’s policy. It requires working with the other side, not insulting them to win your next election, and I know it isn’t sexy to most people, but I love it when I can help make people’s lives better with policies, like I still do through my institute at USC, where we fight for clean air and stripping the power from the politicians who rig the system against the people.

Let me be honest with you: I don’t like either party right now. My Republicans have forgotten the beauty of the free market, driven up deficits, and rejected election results.

Democrats aren’t any better at dealing with deficits, and I worry about their local policies hurting our cities with increased crime.

It is probably not a surprise that I hate politics more than ever, which, if you are a normal person who isn’t addicted to this crap, you probably understand.I want to tune out.

But I can’t. Because rejecting the results of an election is as un-American as it gets. To someone like me who talks to people all over the world and still knows America is the shining city on a hill, calling America is a trash can for the world is so unpatriotic, it makes me furious. And I will always be an American before I am a Republican.

That’s why, this week, I am voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.I’m sharing it with all of you because I think there are a lot of you who feel like I do. You don’t recognize our country. And you are right to be furious.

For decades, we’ve talked about the national debt. For decades, we’ve talked about comprehensive immigration reform that secures the border while fixing our broken immigration system. And Washington does nothing.

The problems just keep rolling, and we all keep getting angrier, because the only people that benefit from problems aren’t you, the people. The only people that benefit from this crap are the politicians who prefer having talking points to win elections to the public service that will make Americans’ lives better. It is a just game to them. But it is life for my fellow Americans. We should be pissed!

But a candidate who won’t respect your vote unless it is for him, a candidate who will send his followers to storm the Capitol while he watches with a Diet Coke, a candidate who has shown no ability to work to pass any policy besides a tax cut that helped his donors and other rich people like me but helped no one else else, a candidate who thinks Americans who disagree with him are the bigger enemies than China, Russia, or North Korea - that won’t solve our problems.

It will just be four more years of bullshit with no results that makes us angrier and angrier, more divided, and more hateful.

We need to close the door on this chapter of American history, and I know that former President Trump won’t do that. He will divide, he will insult, he will find new ways to be more un-American than he already has been, and we, the people, will get nothing but more anger.

That’s enough reason for me to share my vote with all of you. I want to move forward as a country, and even though I have plenty of disagreements with their platform, I think the only way to do that is with Harris and Walz.

Vote this week. Turn the page and put this junk behind us.

And even if you disagree with me, vote, because that’s what we do as Americans."

 
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