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[Serge Forward]

There are holocaust survivors saying as much. What would Primo Levi have thought about the phrase do you think, in the current circumstances?

I'm sure Primo would have gone with fascist rather than Nazi, you fucking clown.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm sure Primo would have gone with fascist rather than Nazi, you fucking clown.

Are you? I've read every word he ever wrote that's been translated into English. He didn't think the Nazis were some unique phenomenon that could never be repeated. He was ever-conscious and perplexed by the fact that they arose among the so-called 'civilised' Germans. I don't doubt that he would have been making the comparison right now.

 

[krtek a houby]

Fucking idiotic and straight out of the anti semite's playbook. Fascist or fascist adjacent Israel, far right, apartheid, colonialist or genocidal Israel all work to one degree or another. Nazi Israel shows those who use it to be a dick.

As suggested on the main Hamas/Israel thread, this type of trope and other anti semitism deserves a thread where some kind of consensus and self criticism can be reached. If Labour and other institutions can be taken to task for their lack of action/overreaction etc, surely we can look into our own shortcomings?

Getting tired of the canards.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

OMG you can't call the Israelis Nazis. They are committing genocide. Right now. Yesterday, today and tomorrow.

 

[krtek a houby]

OMG you can't call the Israelis Nazis. They are committing genocide. Right now. Yesterday, today and tomorrow.

It is a genocide, yes. Nobody here would deny it.

Just being aware that "Nazi" is very specific and is used particularly in an anti-semitic fashion, as others have pointed out.

I mean, if you really need to, you can use the term. It just looks bad.

 

[Serge Forward]

Are you? I've read every word he ever wrote that's been translated into English. He didn't think the Nazis were some unique phenomenon that could never be repeated. He was ever-conscious and perplexed by the fact that they arose among the so-called 'civilised' Germans. I don't doubt that he would have been making the comparison right now.

The Israeli government is not National Socialist, which is what you seem to be saying. The Israeli goverment is not anti semitic either (and essential part of what the actual Nazis were about). The details matter here, as does the historical context.

Yes, the Israeli government is an appalling, genocidal, ethno nationalist regime with some fascist characteristics that is doing terrible terrible things against the Palestinian population. Doesn't make it Nazi or Neo Nazi though. However, it is situated somewhere in the wider fascist orbit.

But of course, you may think it sounds clever calling them Nazis. In reality, it makes you sound a bit of a dick (and open to suspicion of being an anti semite by implication).

So, best avoided then, eh.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The Israeli government is not National Socialist, which is what you seem to be saying. The Israeli goverment is not anti semitic either (and essential part of what the actual Nazis were about). The details matter here, as does the historical context.

Yes, the Israeli government is an appalling, genocidal, ethno nationalist regime with some fascist characteristics that is doing terrible terrible things against the Palestinian population. Doesn't make it Nazi or Neo Nazi though. However, it is situated somewhere in the wider fascist orbit.

But of course, you may think it sounds clever calling them Nazis. In reality, it makes you sound a bit of a dick (and open to suspicion of being an anti semite by implication).

So, best avoided then, eh.

Would Levi have compared this current regime to the Nazis who put him in Auschwitz? Yes. He really would.

 

[Serge Forward]

Just listen to yourself. Have you got nowt better to do than come out with such nonsense.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It's not nonsense. The current Israeli regime really is that bad, intent upon extermination. And you clearly know little about what Primo Levi thought, as laid out in his writings.

 

[Serge Forward]

Well done. You're an expert on Primo Levy. You're right that the Israeli regime is intent on extermination. While they are undoubtedly far right nasty pieces of work, you're still wrong to describe them as National Socialists (which they are clearly not) for multiple reasons, even though some of the barbaric IDF actions may have similarities to attrocities done by nazis. It doesn't make it anymore right to label them nazis. The only reason I can imagine anyone would do this is because it pleases them to call Jews nazis. Again, please don't do this. It is very damaging to building unity in support of Palestinians.

 

[ruffneck23]