Kamala Harris' time is up

[spitfire]

"My Republicans have forgotten the beauty of the free market"

To be clear, I am not endorsing his full set of views. Just sharing the man's statement for your entertainment.

 

[Wilf]

I've always found the "Good Old Boy Bill" thing to be a bit vomit-inducing, the man who saw through (with Biden) the instituting of the modern private prisons industry, bombed the shit out of multiple countries and aggressively pursued neoliberal economics. Of course he'll toe the line, there's nobody more Establishment than that prick.

Plus, whilst not the same number of allegations, he has a Trump like history of rape and sexual assault accusations.

 

[The39thStep]

To be clear, I am not endorsing his full set of views. Just sharing the man's statement for your entertainment.

Hopefully just not for me .

 

[Wilf]

Plus, whilst not the same number of allegations, he has a Trump like history of rape and sexual assault accusations.

Ditto 'Arnie', iirc.

 

[Gramsci]

Hearing Clintons comments on Gaza and not now surprised Muslim voters aren't going to vote for Harris.

Others, like Nazia Kazi, pointed to the double standards of the Democratic Party that warns of Trump fascism while it flouts domestic and international law; and while it stands by as academics are fired and students are criminalised and demonised as antisemitic for criticising Israel.

It's all very well for Democrats to have a go at Trump but they haven't done much recently to give faith there is a rules based order when it comes to Israel.

And some of these voters are in states where every vote counts.

Meet the Muslim Americans voting third-party in the US presidential election

Despite fear-mongering and threats that Trump would be worse for Palestinians, these Muslims say they've had enough

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Ax^]

Jesus trump and the gop are getting desperate

but look at biden and the Clinton's

 

[Flavour]

Ditto 'Arnie', iirc.

not aware of arnie's sexual assault allegations, please share more details

 

[ska invita]

what a liberal, amirite?

Errr, yes, of course she is

 

[Yossarian]

not aware of arnie's sexual assault allegations, please share more details

Los Angeles Times report from 2003:

Six women who came into contact with Arnold Schwarzenegger on movie sets, in studio offices and in other settings over the last three decades say he touched them in a sexual manner without their consent. In interviews with The Times, three of the women described their surprise and discomfort when Schwarzenegger grabbed their breasts.

A fourth said he reached under her skirt and gripped her buttocks. A fifth woman said Schwarzenegger groped her and tried to remove her bathing suit in a hotel elevator. A sixth said Schwarzenegger pulled her onto his lap and asked whether a certain sexual act had ever been performed on her.

According to the women’s accounts, one of the incidents occurred in the 1970s, two in the 1980s, two in the 1990s and one in 2000.

“Did he rape me? No,” said one woman, who described a 1980 encounter in which she said Schwarzenegger touched her breast. “Did he humiliate me? You bet he did.”

He didn't apologise until last year

A total of 15 women ultimately came forward to accuse Schwarzenegger of groping them over three decades. In Arnold, Schwarzenegger finally offers a halfway decent apology for his actions.

https://archive.ph/KuWDP

 

[Ax^]

Ditto 'Arnie', iirc.

TBF Arnie is a republican

 

[Wilf]

not aware of arnie's sexual assault allegations, please share more details

Pretty well known, afaik. For example:

Arnold Schwarzenegger apologises for groping women 20 years on from allegations

Arnold Schwarzenegger faced allegations he had groped and humiliated women in the run-up to the 2003 California governor election. Twenty years later he has said sorry, saying "Forget all the excuses, it was wrong".

news.sky.com

 

[petee]

nvm.

 

[weltweit]

A thing about Kamala Harris, is she always looks like she is enjoying this process perhaps too much, always smiling always laughing - this is a serious business - How much laughing will she be able to do if she becomes president?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

A thing about Kamala Harris, is she always looks like she is enjoying this process perhaps too much, always smiling always laughing - this is a serious business - How much laughing will she be able to do if she becomes president?

That's the us culture. Politicians are expected to do that. Trump is an outlier in that regard

 

[weltweit]

That's the us culture. Politicians are expected to do that. Trump is an outlier in that regard

Really?

 

[pesh]

How much dual handjob dancing will Trump be able to do if he is elected?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Really?

Yes. Have you not seen us election before?

 

[weltweit]

Yes. Have you not seen us election before?

Yes but not that I had noticed ..

 

[Combustible]

An Aardvark could have won.

Yet Ashworth could not.

 

[krtek a houby]

A thing about Kamala Harris, is she always looks like she is enjoying this process perhaps too much, always smiling always laughing - this is a serious business - How much laughing will she be able to do if she becomes president?

This is an obsession with the Trump campaign - her laugh. Especially from men; her laugh seems to trigger them.

 

[petee]

i wonder if this will cost him michigan.

Don’t Fall For Trump’s Makeover. He’s an Anti-Muslim Bigot.

His cynical appeals to Muslim and Arab American voters can’t obscure a decade's worth of prejudice.

www.thebulwark.com

 

[skyscraper101]

It's already over. There's no way Harris will win.

Biden has fucked any chance she had by refusing to accept his own clear and obvious physical and cognitive decline. He should've seen the writing on the wall ages ago and acted in the national interest and now here we are. I'd be amazed if there's any other result but a Trump victory.

Well I’m sad to see my prediction was on point. Again.

 

[krtek a houby]

There's at least one Hollywood reaction that's sensible :


The Don’t Look Up director Adam McKay expressed frustration with how the past year has been handled by the Democratic party. “Who would have guessed lying about Biden’s cognitive health for 2 yrs, refusing to do an open convention for a new nominee, never mentioning public healthcare & embracing fracking, the Cheneys & a yr long slaughter of children in Gaza wouldn’t be a winning strategy?” he wrote. He later added: “It is time to abandon the Dem Party

‘Goodbye, America’: celebrities react to Donald Trump’s election win

Cardi B, Ariana Grande and Stephen King are among names sharing anger and disappointment over US election resultUS election 2024 – live news updates

www.theguardian.com

 

[Nine Bob Note]

A thing about Kamala Harris, is she always looks like she is enjoying this process perhaps too much, always smiling always laughing - this is a serious business - How much laughing will she be able to do if she becomes president?

I assumed that was an American thing. There are American YTers I watch (and like) who sometimes struggle to speak because they just have to keep smiling throughout the entire video.

 

[Rimbaud]

Just off the top of my head, some reasons for Trump's victory.

1- Fundamentalist Protestantism, the machismo of the frontiersman settler myth, and lack of maternity leave locking families into traditional gender roles mean US society is not ready for a female leader. Probably a bigger issue than race, while there is a significant hardcore of white racists they will also vote Republican anyway and aren't a big enough demographic to decide an election.

2- US Democrat leadership unwilling to let more pro-worker candidates into leadership positions in order to keep corporate donors happy. This has allowed Trump to outflank the Democrats to the left via promises to protect jobs with protectionist economics. This also benefits US nationally orientated capital so has the advantage of not threatening corporate donors.

3- The crisis in masculinity and the manosphere radicalising sexless young men (Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson et al).

4- As big tech has matured as an industry it is has became less liberal than its founding roots and instead embraced the alt-right, Silicon Valley now fantasises about cleansing San Francisco of the victims of gentrification they themselves caused.

5- Social media and post-truth politics, conspiracy theories, dark money, Russia and to a lesser extent China backing right wing influencers. Some overlap here with 3 and 4 (think Musk).

 

[andysays]

Posted this on another thread, but I'll post it here too. Worth reading for anyone who still can't grasp why so many people who aren't necessarily stupid racists voted for Trump

Why Kamala Harris lost: A flawed candidate or doomed campaign?​

Nearly a month ago, Kamala Harris appeared on ABC's The View in what was expected to be a friendly interview aimed at pitching herself to Americans who wanted to know more about her. But the sit-down was quickly overshadowed by her response to a question on what she would have done differently from incumbent president, Joe Biden: "Not a thing comes to mind." Harris's answer - which became a Republican attack ad on loop - underscored the political headwinds that her jumpstart campaign failed to overcome in her decisive loss to Donald Trump on Tuesday.

After Biden dropped out of the race following a disastrous debate performance, Harris was anointed to the top of the ticket, bypassing the scrutiny of a primary without a single vote being cast. She began her 100-day campaign promising a "new generation of leadership", rallying women around abortion rights and vowing to win back working-class voters by focusing on economic issues including rising costs and housing affordability. With just three months until election day, she generated a wave of initial momentum, which included a flurry of memes on social media, a star-studded endorsement list that included Taylor Swift and a record-setting donation windfall. But Harris couldn't shake the anti-Biden sentiment that permeated much of the electorate.

Even before she was catapulted to the top of the ticket, Harris had sought to frame the race as a referendum on Trump, not Biden. The former California prosecutor leaned into her law enforcement record to prosecute the case against the former president. But her nascent campaign opted to ditch Biden's core argument that Trump posed an existential threat to democracy, prioritising a forward-looking "joyful" message about protecting personal freedoms and preserving the middle class. In the final stretch, however, Harris made a tactical decision to again highlight the dangers of a second Trump presidency, calling the president a "fascist" and campaigning with disaffected Republicans fed up with his rhetoric.

"Kamala Harris lost this election when she pivoted to focus almost exclusively on attacking Donald Trump," veteran Republican pollster Frank Luntz said on Tuesday night. "Voters already know everything there is about Trump – but they still wanted to know more about Harris’ plans for the first hour, first day, first month and first year of her administration. It was a colossal failure for her campaign to shine the spotlight on Trump more than on Harris’s own ideas”.

 

[skyscraper101]

For me it’s not only that Biden gave her the worst possible start by refusing until way too late to acknowledge his own clear and obvious mental decline (which Trump clearly seized on) but her whole campaign reeked of the Hilary Clinton one from 2016. She just wasn’t charismatic or appealing enough to carry enough of the vote in the swing states that mattered. Trump seemed able to overcome any of the momentum the democrats gained when Biden pulled out. For all her competence and credentials it just wasn’t enough.

And I don’t know about anyone else but I personally can’t remember anything about her campaign because it seemed entirely overshadowed by stuff like Trump getting shot at or Elon Musk or Hulk Hogan. Nothing on her side seemed able to match the appeal of the Trump circus.

It’s a ridiculous system of course - the electoral college - but it’a just the reality. She didn’t appeal enough where it mattered. They bought into the MAGA shit all over again and now the whole world will feel it.

It sort of feels a bit like when Britain had the chance to row back on Brexit in 2019 after a disastrous three years of trying to reach a deal with the EU and failing dismally, only to double down and shoot itself in the foot again by electing Johnson and his ‘oven ready’ lies all over again.

Fool me once… etc.

 

[The39thStep]

I honestly thought these celebs turned up for free or just expenses to support 'the cause'

 

[Sasaferrato]

Harris lost because no one (including herself) knew what she stood for.

On being asked what she would do differently to Biden, she replied that she wouldn't have changed anything.

Biden should have conceded much earlier, giving time for a selection process. He didn't and we have Trump for the next four years.

'Loose cannon' does not adequately describe him.

 

[Yossarian]

I honestly thought these celebs turned up for free or just expenses to support 'the cause'

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Not sure how much truth there is in that report, which is from the Spectator - Oprah Winfrrey's company was paid to produce a campaign event but she says she didn't take a personal fee - I don't know if any performers were paid but just their flights, accommodation for crews etc. would have cost the campaign a lot. Wonder if they'd be lamenting the lack of an Alanis appearance if the election had been closer