National Action to be proscribed as a "Terrorist Organisation"

[kebabking]

The British army does claim to instill its values in its recruits though?

As does the NHS, yet it's members drive bombs into airports, or become the most prolific serial killers ever to walk these shores...

As with any organisation, some people will be admitted who should not have been, and others will go bad while they are in.

The issues surrounding this episode will be what flags were seen and not acted on, and what action those who saw those flags - assuming they existed - did about them.

 

[DotCommunist]

As does the NHS, yet it's members drive bombs into airports, or become the most prolific serial killers ever to walk these shores...

As with any organisation, some people will be admitted who should not have been, and others will go bad while they are in.

The issues surrounding this episode will be what flags were seen and not acted on, and what action those who saw those flags - assuming they existed - did about them.

I do hope its army rules that if someones a raging fascist you are supposed to flag that up as a concern, even if its a colleague.

 

[Teaboy]

Obviously National Action are proscribed but is there anything in the employment rules stopping recruits being members of other 'extremist' groups that are not specifically proscribed, EDL or some such? I believe the Police have such restrictions.

Basically have these guys just not revoked their membership when it got banned.

 

[kebabking]

I do hope its army rules that if someones a raging fascist you are supposed to flag that up as a concern, even if its a colleague.

It is, the issue will be whether anyone outside this group knew about their proclivities, and - if they did - what they did about that knowledge.

 

[Pickman's model]

It is, the issue will be whether anyone outside this group knew about their proclivities, and - if they did - what they did about that knowledge.

i understand that if you know about this sort of thing and you don't tell the authorities it is easy to end up in the shit.

 

[Pickman's model]

Obviously National Action are proscribed but is there anything in the employment rules stopping recruits being members of other 'extremist' groups that are not specifically proscribed, EDL or some such? I believe the Police have such restrictions.

Basically have these guys just not revoked their membership when it got banned.

the edl not a membership organisation.

 

[Pickman's model]

As does the NHS, yet it's members drive bombs into airports, or become the most prolific serial killers ever to walk these shores...

As with any organisation, some people will be admitted who should not have been, and others will go bad while they are in.

The issues surrounding this episode will be what flags were seen and not acted on, and what action those who saw those flags - assuming they existed - did about them.

 

[krink]

is that a metaphor or a semaphore?

 

[Teaboy]

the edl not a membership organisation.

Really? They missed a trick there then. Trying to flog crappy hoodies when not even collecting any subs.

 

[planetgeli]

Do they dress in silver and ride a silver horse and spin around to Handel's Water Music at the end of Tales of the Unexpected?

Danny that's what I grew up on (fuck East Anglia). Did you too? I thought you were in Scotland?

 

[danny la rouge]

Danny that's what I grew up on (fuck East Anglia). Did you too? I thought you were in Scotland?

It used to come on at the end of Tales of the Unexpected. Nowadays you'd never see that bit, because they reduce the credits to a box while the continuity speaks over it. But back then credits played right through to the end.

(I grew up in Grampian but was rezoned to STV, who made Taggart).

 

[Pickman's model]

is that a metaphor or a semaphore?

yes

 

[ddraig]

charges
Two British soldiers have been charged with neo-Nazi terror offences

Three men, including two serving soldiers in the British army, have been charged with terror offences as part of an investigation into a banned neo-Nazi group, West Midlands Police said.

Alexander Deakin, 22, Mikko Vehvilainen, 32, and Mark Barrett, 24, have been charged in connection with their alleged membership of National Action.

Five men, including four serving soldiers, were held on suspicion of terror offences last week, police said.

 

[extra dry]

Nationalist Actionists

Actionista Nationally. A-NAL for short.

 

[ska invita]

organisation which recruits from pretty much every part of society broadly reflects society shocker...

Something i saw on facebook suggested at least one of these four if not all was an entryist and part of a conscious programme for NA members to join the ranks and recruit and spread. The post was unsubstantiated though.

 

[dylanredefined]

I do hope its army rules that if someones a raging fascist you are supposed to flag that up as a concern, even if its a colleague.

Unless they are causing a problem it would probably be dismissed as just being an oddball. If it is picked up they get fucked over and kicked out pretty sharpish. Unless they think they are doing it to just get out when they will just get fucked over.

Obviously National Action are proscribed but is there anything in the employment rules stopping recruits being members of other 'extremist' groups that are not specifically proscribed, EDL or some such? I believe the Police have such restrictions.

Basically have these guys just not revoked their membership when it got banned.

Yeah, you not allowed to be in any extremist groups and should own up to being in any previously.

 

[likesfish]

Two obvious skinheads tried to join hastings TA to in their own words to get weapons training for the coming race war .
OC was trying to find remember what forms you fill in too ban Nazis or just post them to the eastborne platoon where they'd fit in . But the pratts gave up on the three mile run so that was that

 

[ddraig]

Three men charged over neo-Nazi stickers at university
Aston university

 

[Kaka Tim]

One of my mate's dad's was one of the people arrested in this article.


Pensioner charged with manufacturing guns after raid on boats on Leeds canal

He was released without charge. He was seen talking to one of suspects (they have neighbouring boats) and was hard stopped leaving the marina - machine gun to head, full swat team macho aggro treatment, thrown in a cell for 12 hours then let go without any apology (hes a 72 year old with a heart condition).

Anyway - apparently the person manufacturing and modifying the guns is some right wing nutjob. Weather he is connected with national action i dont know - but he apparently did have connections with Thomas Mair (jo cox's murderer)- who used a home modifed weapon.

There was also an incident in july in Selby (8 miles east of leeds) where police raided a mans home after he had been arrested on "suspicion of racially or religiously aggravated harassment" and criminal damage. They found "hazardous material". I cant find any follow up info wrt charges or what the material was.

Suspected hazardous material found in Selby flat after man's arrest over racial offence

So we have what looks like a number of quite old men with extreme right wing views connected with possession and manufacture of weapons and explosives - and in one case a political assassination - all living within 10 miles of each other.

They may be all completely unconnected - but at the very least it shows that there are number of far right individuals out there who are making and stockpiling weapons and one who has used these to commit a terrorist murder.

cant help feeling that if they were jihadis the dots would be very publicly being joined by the security services and media. The 7/7 bombers came from the same area and the media were all over hyde park and beeston in leeds and nearby dewsbury and batley looking for the factors that had created the west yorkshire "axis of evil".

 

[likesfish]

The media arnt intrested in right wing terrorists who've not actually managed anything right wing killers tend to have have left any group they had links to as the nazis dont actually fo anything.

 

[malatesta32]

there must be a load of far right blokes well over 50 who jacked it in a while ago cos of infighting, pointlessness or tired of being hoofed off the street by antifascists. they can still have the same views but are not visible with usual bunch of scrotes cos they got sick of the company. imagine, hanging round with the NF? what a bunch of ne'er do wells!

 

[chilango]

there must be a load of far left blokes well over 50 who jacked it in a while ago cos of infighting, pointlessness or tired of being hoofed off the street by the police. they can still have the same views but are not visible with usual bunch of scrotes cos they got sick of the company. imagine, hanging round with the SWP? what a bunch of ne'er do wells!

 

[Pickman's model]

there must be a load of far right blokes well over 50 who jacked it in a while ago cos of infighting, pointlessness or tired of being hoofed off the street by antifascists. they can still have the same views but are not visible with usual bunch of scrotes cos they got sick of the company. imagine, hanging round with the NF? what a bunch of ne'er do wells!

There are such a group, of whom I and others are aware

 

[DaveCinzano]

“Roman sword”

 

[Pickman's model]

“Roman sword”

yeh. the intention was the mp would die from tetanus.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

What’s wrong with British swords?

 

[Pickman's model]

What’s wrong with British swords?

yeh british swords for british mps

 

[DaveCinzano]

I imagine much of the investigation into the allegations was predicated on crime scene spatha analysis

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I imagine much of the investigation into the allegations was predicated on crime scene spatha analysis

That post is a crime scene itself.

 

[DaveCinzano]

That post is a crime scene itself.

Just gladius to be here