Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
given Disco's closeness to Rebekah, his willingness to Toady to NI, and his hiring of Coulson, surely hewas as much up NI's backside as Brown ever was?
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The point is that there's no compulsion to legislate, regardless of Leveson's findings. This means that our ruling classes can chant their usual "we have listened" mantra, while letting their friends in the media keep on doing the same old shit.
agricola
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I meant the chap before him, who was considerably further up the channel than either Brown or CMD, whose government were at once stage directly coordinating their media strategies over some policies with NI, and of course under whose watch most of the worst abuses took place.
butchersapron
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He recommended some stuff be made law. That's it.
That is where you are wrong.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
The key point for me here is the linkage between the actually criminal acts, the ethics and culture of the press - mainly, but not solely, the tabloids -
the immense power of the press (despite the fact that the circulation of every newspaper has been heading south pretty much continually for most of the last decade), and the way that power causes politicians and police alike to cravenly cuddle up to them and simultaneously kowtow before them at every available opportunity. THAT is the problem-all flow from each other.
And that is why this report is so desperately disappointing. Tbf, I will grant Lord Justive Leveson that lawyers tend towards very restrained, dry language - goes with the territory - but all things considered this report is a damp squib.
As to why, butchersapron nailed it - public skool, Oxbridge barrister and judge; everything in his life, career and world predisposes him to think in purely Establishment terms. It isn't even necessary to question his personal integrity; in narrow legalese terms, that's unbesmirched. he has simply acted as he is class-programmed to do.
the immense power of the press (despite the fact that the circulation of every newspaper has been heading south pretty much continually for most of the last decade), and the way that power causes politicians and police alike to cravenly cuddle up to them and simultaneously kowtow before them at every available opportunity. THAT is the problem-all flow from each other.
And that is why this report is so desperately disappointing. Tbf, I will grant Lord Justive Leveson that lawyers tend towards very restrained, dry language - goes with the territory - but all things considered this report is a damp squib.
As to why, butchersapron nailed it - public skool, Oxbridge barrister and judge; everything in his life, career and world predisposes him to think in purely Establishment terms. It isn't even necessary to question his personal integrity; in narrow legalese terms, that's unbesmirched. he has simply acted as he is class-programmed to do.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
ah right, we're at cross purposes, i thought you were saying Leveson didn't recommend changes to statute (which IIRC always need legislation).
butchersapron
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What's the way out of this apparent naughty circle?
butchersapron
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Amazing that once again it is the public's fault eh 1%
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
true; but the recommendation of new press laws (especially the Ofcom bit) is there in black and white. They can either weasel round it passing a law that's neutered by its' small print, talk all legislation down and wait for the public to get bored, or pass leveson in full.
I'm betting 1.
1%er
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I believe the naughty step is a popular practice nowadays in the UK.
Who said it was the British public's fault, my point is that if the British public don't like it, don't buy it. One only has to look at the biggest selling papers and what they pump out day after day to see what sells.
As you are well aware the market rules
butchersapron
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That logic says openly that it's the fault of the buyer - if they stopped it wouldn't happen. Who knows what paper the families of these victims bought. The market might rule but it doesn't have to.
1%er
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I thought the public were still allowed to choose which papers they buy, the biggest selling papers were the biggest offenders.
With regard to the market, who is it, it is the British public and as I said above they now have the chance to change things, will they?
62 million brits boycott the Sun.
1%er
Well-Known Member
That would be a good start. If you don't like something why buy it?
butchersapron
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Offenders as regards what? And why does that mean that they can set the rules for everyone else?
I think they have no chance to change things (what things?) and only and odd fellow could think that they do.
butchersapron
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Do you think this has only effected people who buy these papers?
Edit: or that some people buying these papers justifies them fucking up people who don't? After all, some people buy them right? You're very daft.
Exactly.
1%er
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Man not ball
If the public don't like it don't buy it. please explain to me why the NofW, the sun, the Mirror sell/sold so many papers? The British public lapped it up and still do. Nothing like a "just turned 16" page 3 and some salacious gossip to start the day.
butchersapron
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Tell me why i have to. Tell me why i should.Tell me why it's necessary to.
butchersapron
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This is an argument for the free market - a state/big led money led construction of a market then monopoly then subsidy to keep it afloat. It's not a market you mug.Man not ball
If the public don't like it don't buy it. please explain to me why the NofW, the sun, the Mirror sell/sold so many papers? The British public lapped it up and still do. Nothing like a "just turned 16" page 3 and some salacious gossip to start the day.
1%er
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Oh come on, give us some of that 1950's class analysis, you live there I don't.
Who is buying this stuff?
1%er
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butchersapron
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Tell me why that's relevant.
butchersapron
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What is the purpose of juxtaposing these quotes?
1%er
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I thought class analysis was always relevant
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