Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
That text from Rebekah was an absolute beauty!
Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"
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London_Calling
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Except Leveson should be held in front of 80,000 at the big bowl at Stratford, and the Jubilee ought to be in Poland and Ukraine.
This gets to the heart of what I am finding so annoying about this whole process. Its the same with the Hunt business, everybody knows what has happened, the evidence is clear as clear as can be, yet we still have 'our leaders' blankly denying it. Sitting there and arguing black is in fact white. It all beggers belief to the extreme but they carry on regardless, its just plain insulting.
Yet what will come of it all? Sure the PCC will be 'beefed up' and some damage has been done to the government (how much is unclear) but what else? Will the relationship between the media and politicians change or will they just be a bit more careful in their dealings?
I suspect the major thing that will come out of this is that all future PM's will be very bloody careful about ordering enquiries that could end up with themself having to swear on the bible.
London_Calling
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Leveson has actually got very little to do with this government per se, and nothing at all to do with 'blame' or apportioning guilt.
This gov and its officials are witnesses like Blair or Major were witnesses. Nor is it Leveson's job to find culprits - inc. Jezza Hunt. It's also why Jay explores only very particular lines of inquiry with witnesses. Who did what when only matters if it speaks to the specific remit.
To state the obv, he is inquiring ... into a 30-year bloody shambles.
Will political/media relationships change - they already have and fundamentally.
This gov and its officials are witnesses like Blair or Major were witnesses. Nor is it Leveson's job to find culprits - inc. Jezza Hunt. It's also why Jay explores only very particular lines of inquiry with witnesses. Who did what when only matters if it speaks to the specific remit.
To state the obv, he is inquiring ... into a 30-year bloody shambles.
Will political/media relationships change - they already have and fundamentally.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Nope, the major thing is that the Murdochs' power to terrify politicians is gone for good
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
fwiw, it's a shame they can't call the 'Iron Lady' herself... She effectively provides the opening chapters for the modern day portion of the narrative. Starting with Major is a little like beginning a story at Act 2.
Assuming Beaverbrook et al belong in the Preamble...
Assuming Beaverbrook et al belong in the Preamble...
Well yes I know all that, hence the frustration that even after the lies have been exposed they are continuing to be told, yet I'm not sure what the follow up to it is.
I hope you're right, but for how long?
pffft, from what I've seen she'd probably have as good a memory as half the people who have given evidence.
London_Calling
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yep, mildly ironic that the only witness who'd be telling the truth when answering 'I don't remember', can't be called.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
The question is, what will the long-term public reaction be now that Cameron's proven closeness to a woman currently awaiting trial on serious criminal charges?
Bloody long preamble as it would have to include Cecil King.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Jsut watched the highlights on C4 news - Cameron looked very very uncomfortable and shifty.
Whatever the outcome of the enquiry - today will have damaged him politically - it becomes easier and easier to portray him as a sleezy bullshitter.
The media are all over the 'all in this together' text.
Sooner or later a bollock will be dropped and there will be solid proof that Cameron has lied at some point in his evidence.
Whatever the outcome of the enquiry - today will have damaged him politically - it becomes easier and easier to portray him as a sleezy bullshitter.
The media are all over the 'all in this together' text.
Sooner or later a bollock will be dropped and there will be solid proof that Cameron has lied at some point in his evidence.
elbows
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As part of a much broader feast of hatred for this government it will be a welcome addition to the menu, but on it own I don't think it does that much.
Id be more excited by it if there was just one more damning link, or if I had greater hopes in general that the coalition would not last a full term.
little_legs
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Yes he Cam!
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Professionally, just so we are sure.
London_Calling
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That was the only text message of very many between them used by Leveson. Titillating ...
little_legs
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Hameron looked like boiled gammon today
little_legs
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My favourite part of the testimony was when Cameron essentially admitted that ne never reads anything that reaches his desk. Fucking leisure classes.
elbows
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I had to go and do some work just as he was starting to turn red and be a bit tetchy with his answers. Did he recompose himself for the afternoon session?
This man could definitely be broken under the right circumstances. Hope the tories get their knickers in a twist about having to fight another election with him at the helm.
This man could definitely be broken under the right circumstances. Hope the tories get their knickers in a twist about having to fight another election with him at the helm.
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
Not seen any of it today but just watched the news at ten highlights, quality squirming
elbows
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Puddy_Tat
santa paws, do you ever come to the ghetto?
he couldn't do his usual "you are female / old / working class (delete as appropriate) therefore i'm going to insult you rather than answer the question" approach like he does at PMQs...
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