Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[Bernie Gunther]

I was also intrigued by the figure given someplace (in a hurry so no link, but probably BBC or Guardian) that at least 10 members of the Met's PR unit were ex News International scum.

Certainly puts the 'hail of bottles' which (didn't really) killed Ian Tomlinson and the (not really) 'suspicious behavior' like 'jumping the barriers' by 'bulky jacket trailing wires' wearing 'illegal immigrant' and 'dole-scrounger' JC De Menezes in an interesting light.

 

[two sheds]

it's fairly obvious what he was hinting at isn't it? why bother adding anything?

If that's what's in the book he's unfortunately got her over a barrel over that specific accusation.

Guardian headline today is nice, though:

"News International 'deliberately' blocked investigation"

which is a bit bloody different from everything we were hearing yesterday that NI executives were horrified by what they discovered and immediately contacted the police to tell them all.

 

[Ted Striker]

whats the definition of countryside? murdering piers morgan

That's brilliant!

 

[Gingerman]

That's brilliant!

A Stephen Fry joke I believe

 

[killer b]

If that's what's in the book he's unfortunately got her over a barrel over that specific accusation.

it's unfortunate that mensch decided to embellish the quote to get bigger headlines. i guess it didn't quite work out the way she hoped.

 

[claphamboy]

I was intrigued by the role of Ed Llewellyn as Cameron's firewall. He allegedly made efforts to prevent Cameron hearing about NoTW misdeeds. Now either that's after-the-fact porkies designed to allow Cameron to claim ignorance as the Murdochs were doing yesterday, or it indicates that prophylactic PR measures were already in place.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...in-trouble-for-not-communicating-2317215.html

Seems reasonable to me, politicians shouldn't be briefed in any detail about ongoing police investigations, to do so opens the floodgates to potential political interference.

The police should be left to get on with investigating, and politicians should only get involved if it appears they are not doing their job properly.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Let's not forget, he was sacked for publishing faked fotos of British soldiers abusing Iraqis.

The BBC's Nicholas Witchell said it appeared Piers Morgan remained unrepentant right to the end

"According to one report Mr Morgan refused the demand to apologise, was sacked and immediately escorted from the building," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3716151.stm

 

[kabbes]

it's fairly obvious what he was hinting at isn't it? why bother adding anything?

I agree with that. It was pretty stupid of her.

I still think he's on dodgy ground to make a fuss about it though. He'd have been better advised to keep quiet and hope it got lost in the fuss.

 

[killer b]

Let's not forget, he was sacked for publishing faked fotos of British soldiers abusing Iraqis.

does that make fabricating quotes from his book any better?

 

[Badgers]

does that make fabricating quotes from his book any better?

Sinking to someone else's level in order to take the moral high ground

 

[invisibleplanet]

does that make fabricating quotes from his book any better?

It could have been phrased better by Louise Mensch, but since the book hints at his following up leads that come without even any insider leak, the matter bears further investigation, however cackhanded the bringing to light of his knowledge of ''this little trick'' (aka criminal activity) was.

I think her intent, to quote a published work by a then prominent editor of a national newspaper, was, on the whole, good. It wouldn't have received the uproarious publicity it has, if she had quoted 'Harvard style', so, well done Mrs Mensch

 

[killer b]

I still think he's on dodgy ground to make a fuss about it though. He'd have been better advised to keep quiet and hope it got lost in the fuss.

i wonder if CNN gave him any choice. i didn't see any mention of it anywhere else, i think it was only they who picked up on it - with him being their anchor they probably wanted him to get it denied pretty quick.

 

[invisibleplanet]

i wonder if CNN gave him any choice. i didn't see any mention of it anywhere else, i think it was only they who picked up on it - with him being their anchor they probably wanted him to get it denied pretty quick.

Except to all intents and purposes, he's dug himself in deeper. He's annoyed about the misquote, but not annoyed about the fact that HE KNEW CRIMINAL ACTIVITY was sometimes the initial source of various news stories, be they about celebs, or about politicians and political events. He's bothered about the slur on his name, BUT NOT ABOUT THE VICTIMS OF HACKING. As a (disgracefully sacked for faked fotos) editor of the Mirror, his personal job could have included converting those illicit sources of information into conventional follow-ups in order to avoid accusations of criminality, and his book could be read as inferring or pointing to the criminal act of phone hacking (Morgan: 'this little trick') which, if he'd followed up himself, would then class as ''personal use'' (Mensch) of information that was potentially gleaned by the criminal activity of phone-hacking by Morgan. Of course, these are only impressions which any reader of Morgan's recent book might justifiably make after the first or second read, given his own personal history as the cocky editor of a high circulation daily national newspaper. I'm not accusing him of personally hacking into anyone's phone.

All Morgan's blustering achieved in the Morgan vs. Mensch fiasco, was to focus on the more petty, trivial gripes, such as whether or not the book is recent, the misquote, and Mensch's parliamentary immunity. All Mensch did wrong was misquote. The inferences are all in Morgan's book. I don't think he has a leg to stand on, really. He's in it up to his neck. It's clear that he knew journalists who were using ''this little trick''.

 

[Badgers]

I wonder if Cameron had a good nights sleep?

 

[invisibleplanet]

I wonder if Cameron had a good nights sleep?

I hope he's changed his fone code.

 

[miniGMgoit]

Ok, it looks as if it was enough for parliament to at least begin to consider an inquiry down here. I hope The Age has been doing similar investigations but I should imagine not.
Linky for anyone interested in Australia

My most startling revelation from the whole evening was that London's Metropolitan Deputy Police Commissioner, John Yates was not a man but a post box

 

[Callie]

I wonder whats in it for Piers and the merkins? Discrediting Louise Mensch could just be another way to pave the way for dismissing the whole attack against Murdoch and his empire stateside?

 

[belboid]

I wonder whats in it for Piers and the merkins? Discrediting Louise Mensch could just be another way to pave the way for dismissing the whole attack against Murdoch and his empire stateside?

or it could just be the fact that she grossly libelled him, which is why the vile shit* refused to repeat her accusation. because she knew it was false. Fairly fucking straightforward.




* that's Mensch, in this case.

 

[invisibleplanet]

yes, moron quoted that himself in the clip above. what's your point?

Look closer at the context.

 

[DaveCinzano]

My most startling revelation from the whole evening was that London's Metropolitan Deputy Police Commissioner, John Yates was not a man but a post box

Less a pillar of the community, more a pillar box.

 

[invisibleplanet]

or it could just be the fact that she grossly libelled him, which is why the vile shit* refused to repeat her accusation. because she knew it was false. Fairly fucking straightforward.

* that's Mensch, in this case.

It's not clear that she's libelled him. Not yet, at any rate.

 

[belboid]

it's 100% clear. It is absolute. It is beyond any reasonable doubt.

Thats why Mensch refused to repeat it. Despite being stupid, it appears she isnt as stupid as you must be.

It. Was. Libel.

 

[invisibleplanet]

it's 100% clear. It is absolute. It is beyond any reasonable doubt.

Thats why Mensch refused to repeat it. Despite being stupid, it appears she isnt as stupid as you must be.

It. Was. Libel.

Explain, if you can, without resorting to insults.

 

[belboid]

I'm very sorry you dont understand how libel works, it is quite straightforward.

She said something provably untrue, and damaging. Hence libel.


The fact that Morgans book indicates he was aware of how the practise might be carried out is utterly irrelevant. Lots of peope were so aware, it doesnt mean they did it.

 

[little_legs]

I wonder if Cameron had a good nights sleep?

Pretty sure he has. He's got a scheduled meeting with 1922 Committee today. That should go well. 'So tell me, boys, how can fuck up the poors even more to prove that it's not worth it making any moves against me?'

 

[belboid]

good god, just watched the Mrogan/Mensch vid.

What a cretin that woman is! Caught bang to rights and then tries to pretnd he's threatening her! How on earth did such a fucking moron ever get elected?


(how such a moron as Moron ever got to edit a natinal newspaper is a dfferent question)

 

[invisibleplanet]

good god, just watched the Mrogan/Mensch vid.

What a cretin that woman is! Caught bang to rights and then tries to pretnd he's threatening her! How on earth did such a fucking moron ever get elected?


(how such a moron as Moron ever got to edit a natinal newspaper is a dfferent question)

The enemy of your enemy is your friend, huh?

''Piers Morgan' ''little trick of entering a standard four-digit code allow anyone to call a number and hear your messages'' . In that book he boasted that using ''little trick'' enabled him to win scoop of the year on a story about Sven Goren Ericksson. So that is a former editor of the Daily Mirror being very open about his personal use of phone hacking.

The scoop referred to, is the 2002 British Press Award, based on the voicemail hacking of Ulrika Jonsson's mobile phone, by Daily Mirror reporter James ''Jamie'' Scott.

The diary entry is from 2001. Not 2005 (pub. date of book).
Guido Fawkes (Paul Staines) already published this in his blog (12th/13th July). Daily Express also published something about this.

The mistake Mensch makes is to attribute Daily Express/Guido Fawkes' claims to Morgan (in bold). It looks as though someone has already gone on record about the Mirror using info from phone hacking of Ulrika Jonsson whilst Morgan was editor of the Daily Mirror.

Does this mean that Morgan made ''personal use'' of info gleaned initially from phone-hacking. Well if he personally benefits from the kudos of ''award winning editor 2002 Daily Mirror'', then yes, perhaps it does.

Why hasn't Morgan sued the Daily Express or Guido Fawkes? You tell me. These accusations were already in the public domain.

 

[killer b]

Look closer at the context.

why are you patronising me now?

she libelled him. it doesn't matter if he's a shit himself (he is), or if he was involved in hacking himself (he probably was), she fucked up royally by adding extra information to the quote in his book that changed the context significantly - just to make her point a bit more pointed.

or someone did anyway. i suspect an unpaid gap-year intern's head will be rolling this morning...

 

[invisibleplanet]

I'm not patronising you.

 

[killer b]

look closer at the context.