Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"
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TruXta
tired
Cheers, Carmine.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Lots of of things are, but they need the witness to be charged or summonsed to appear to make the area sub judice.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/blog/2011/jul/19/rebekah-brooks-mps
Sounds interesting
Great regret that they are unable to respond to inaccurate statements.DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Apparently not, but both her and the mu rdochs used it- not that they said the phrase but alluded to 'ongoing cases' etc.
Why they weren't pulled on it is anyones guess
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
one of the tories withdrew a quetion as it would have been sub judice too.
I think it's the case that technically they can ask anything, and no one can be prosecuted for anything said in parliament, but it would still be prejudicial to any trial, and so could undermine any such trial.
I think it's the case that technically they can ask anything, and no one can be prosecuted for anything said in parliament, but it would still be prejudicial to any trial, and so could undermine any such trial.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
i think they should have tried the traditional ducking test.
"she floats, she's a witch, burn her, burn her!!!!"
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
You are correct.
Did anyone seriously expect the MPs to push on questions that could cause problems in forthcoming court cases, when half the fucking country was watching the circus?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
ahhh....that's the point of what things can't be said. I assumed that as there is immunity for everyhting said in parliament, then you can't use infogained there for anything beyond parliament, but of course you can.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
it makes more sense now- although you'd think they'd have voted themselves power to clear observers/recorders before now.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
info can be given in camera for such matters. how much good it would have done them here... dunno.
Meanwhile, in the other committee hearings...
"Former Director of Public Prosecutions Ken Macdonald says evidence of criminalty was "blindingly obvious" in the Harbottle & Lewis file "
oops
Meanwhile, in the other committee hearings...
"Former Director of Public Prosecutions Ken Macdonald says evidence of criminalty was "blindingly obvious" in the Harbottle & Lewis file "
oops
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Oh YES! (re Harbottle and Lewis). They're getting deeper and deeper in the shit by the second
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Just back from the tv...
Against Rupert and James - the MPs did not really impress imho, despite there being lots of them they all seemed to fail to land a bodyblow to either of the two Murdochs. Dissapointing.
Of course in collating that evidence with that of others, details may emerge which could yet catch them out.
James came across as fairly in control of his brief. However, Rupert came across as quite old, partly for his habit of pausing for a noticeable period before answering a question. His apparent "80 ish ness" may prompt his shareholders to call for him to make way for new blood.
The incident, first it was a right hook from Rupert's wife (not as mentioned by the committee chairman a left hook - that total and complete innacuracy seems to accurately encapsulate the weak questionning of him and a number of the other MPs. How could one mistake a right arm for a left arm? incredible) but she (RM's wife) was not the first to react, the first to Rupert's defence was the black haired woman in a grey trouser suit sitting to Mrs Murdoch's left who was up and engaged with the assailant long before anyone else and before Rupert's wife had got up to swing her right hand.
Brooks - I was expecting her to be caught out, particularly about admitting to paying police officers (even though she claimed it was "in the past") however she sailed through all that and seemed teflon coated. WRT Brooks, I wonder if there is any truth in the laptop in the bin story. However, if she is as teflon coated as she seemed, why did she resign?
Against Rupert and James - the MPs did not really impress imho, despite there being lots of them they all seemed to fail to land a bodyblow to either of the two Murdochs. Dissapointing.
Of course in collating that evidence with that of others, details may emerge which could yet catch them out.
James came across as fairly in control of his brief. However, Rupert came across as quite old, partly for his habit of pausing for a noticeable period before answering a question. His apparent "80 ish ness" may prompt his shareholders to call for him to make way for new blood.
The incident, first it was a right hook from Rupert's wife (not as mentioned by the committee chairman a left hook - that total and complete innacuracy seems to accurately encapsulate the weak questionning of him and a number of the other MPs. How could one mistake a right arm for a left arm? incredible) but she (RM's wife) was not the first to react, the first to Rupert's defence was the black haired woman in a grey trouser suit sitting to Mrs Murdoch's left who was up and engaged with the assailant long before anyone else and before Rupert's wife had got up to swing her right hand.
Brooks - I was expecting her to be caught out, particularly about admitting to paying police officers (even though she claimed it was "in the past") however she sailed through all that and seemed teflon coated. WRT Brooks, I wonder if there is any truth in the laptop in the bin story. However, if she is as teflon coated as she seemed, why did she resign?
Except that would rightfully lead to speculation about cover ups etc.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
nick robinson reports this stuff so much better than robert peston.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
So basically what we have is a load of people saying "I knew nothing, it was all somebody else's fault". Eventually they hope that when enough people have resigned they can stop blaming each other at random and start dumping it all on the mugginses who have already fallen on their swords.
I gather this is what is called "leadership" and "integrity".
I gather this is what is called "leadership" and "integrity".
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
While I agree with the body of your post, Rebekah Brooks has resigned, despite seemingly to have "done no wrong". Is that not integrity of sorts?
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
Integrity is a concept of consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations, and outcomes.
One can also speak of "integrity" outside of its prescriptive meaning, in reference to a person or group of people of which the speaker subjectively approves or disapproves. Thus a favored person can be described as "having integrity", while an enemy can be regarded as "completely lacking in integrity". Such labeling, in the absence of measures of independent testing, renders the accusation itself baseless and (ironically) others may call the integrity of the assertion into question.
You only have to google integrity to pull down that definition. In which way has Brookes acted consistently, with values or prinicples and why did resigning as an act of last resort in particular achieve such a benchmark?
She resigned after a *lot* of wriggling. And that's putting it mildly. Years of it.
Stephenson at least bailed as soon as he was publicly compromised. Rbbbb-bbbekkkah spent more time on a hair do, mid NoW collapse, than he spent considering his position.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Why was she arrested, then released in time to make a full briefing AND watch every word the Murdochs said?
It would have been more just, and certainly more of a Rebekah Brooks' method of presenting the "facts", to have deprived her of the opportunity to watch the Murdochs grilling.
This stinks. You don't shut down a paper and resign unless you know this went to the top. What did they find in Mulcaire's house?
What is the Mulcaire directory and associated documents really saying about this Murdoch Triangle, between Number 10, Scotland Yard, and News International?
How bad does it get, because the people have a right to know and they will one way or another.
These parliamentary formalities don't change the basic facts of the matter, mainly that one of the guiltiest and most corrupt parties is still holding back with the the actual evidence...
It would have been more just, and certainly more of a Rebekah Brooks' method of presenting the "facts", to have deprived her of the opportunity to watch the Murdochs grilling.
This stinks. You don't shut down a paper and resign unless you know this went to the top. What did they find in Mulcaire's house?
What is the Mulcaire directory and associated documents really saying about this Murdoch Triangle, between Number 10, Scotland Yard, and News International?
How bad does it get, because the people have a right to know and they will one way or another.
These parliamentary formalities don't change the basic facts of the matter, mainly that one of the guiltiest and most corrupt parties is still holding back with the the actual evidence...
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
No. If she'd admitted incompetence that would be fine, but you can't get away with being in charge, saying you knew nothing about everything that was going wrong, and then claiming everything is other people's fault. Either she was crap at her job, or she's dishonest, or both. There is no fourth option.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
there is: pathological liar
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Nick Robinson is a cunt.
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