Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[MellySingsDoom]

Just seen this on the Graun live feed on all this:

3.52pm: I just spoke to News International and they confirmed that James Murdoch is a dual UK/US citizen.

Can he then be compelled to attend as a UK citizen, in that case?

 

[8den]

Just seen this on the Graun live feed on all this:



Can he then be compelled to attend as a UK citizen, in that case?

According to the guardian's legal team

The legal powers to compel anyone against their will to answer questions at a parliamentary select committee may have fallen into disuse and may no longer be enforceable, a leading constitutional expert has suggested. Trying to enforce such infrequently exercised regulations against a foreign national — in this case the Murdochs — is even less likely to be successful, according to Vernon Bogdanor, the former professor of government at Oxford University.

Apparently no one can be forced to attend a parliamentary select commitee.

This is what you get for not bothering to write a constitution.

 

[gosub]

failing to attend a Parlimentary committee into the actions of your company hardly says Fit & Proper person

 

[MellySingsDoom]

8den - thanks for that. I've read the whole thing at the Graun site, and there seems to be two differing strands of opinion - I wonder who is actually 100% on the money? - see all here

 

[contadino]

failing to attend a Parlimentary committee into the actions of your company hardly says Fit & Proper person

Failing implies something like missing the bus, or his car breaking down on the way to Westminster. He's refusing.

 

[Ted Striker]

Time front page (not sure if fake (current issue has a fish on its cover) or not, tho the story is definitely being covered by them)

 

[DaveCinzano]

Sky News reporting that Neil Wallis was consulting for the Met last year!

According to BBC News Scotland Yard confirms Chamy Media, owned by Neil Wallis, provided strategic communication advice & support to Met Police...

 

[Voley]

Time front page. Hello America!

Ooh, nice.

 

[London_Calling]

Chamy Media was employed in 2009 and last year to "provide strategic communication advice and support" while the force's deputy director of public affairs was on sick leave, a spokesman confirmed.

The force said in a statement: "Three relevant companies were invited to provide costings for this service on the basis of two days per month.

"Chamy Media were appointed as they were significantly cheaper than the others. The contract ran from October 2009 until September 2010, when it was terminated by mutual consent."

Needs dirt from somewhere because that's not worth a wank.

Shrill, over-excited PMs aside, is it me or has it quietened down now the Murdoch's nuts are in a vice?

 

[Divisive Cotton]

both the murdoch's will give evidence to next weeks parliamentary committee

what great tv that will be!

 

[London_Calling]

what great tv that will be!

Now the PI is in place, theatre is about all it is.

 

[Ted Striker]

Now James et Papa will be there (says News Corp, via BBC ticker...)

 

[butchersapron]

Needs dirt from somewhere because that's not worth a wank.

Shrill, over-excited PMs aside, is it me or has it quietened down now the Murdoch's nuts are in a vice?

Can i thank you for your nothing's happening posts on this thread. You've been a joy to read.

 

[killer b]

Now the PI is in place, theatre is about all it is.

your faith in judge led public inquiries is heartwarming.

 

[London_Calling]

My faith? Thanks, but I'm not sure the dogs have backed off because of me. What faith is it I have?

 

[butchersapron]

My faith? Thanks, but I'm not sure the dogs have backed off because of me. What faith is it I have?

Where the fight will take place for starters.

 

[London_Calling]

Can i thank you for your nothing's happening posts on this thread. You've been a joy to read.

I've been busy, who's today's NI "mouthpiece of the day" ?

 

[butchersapron]

I've been busy, who's today's NI "mouthpiece of the day" ?

I really do not know why you bother.

 

[killer b]

My faith? Thanks, but I'm not sure the dogs have backed off because of me. What faith is it I have?

who's backed off?

 

[London_Calling]

What's the big breaking story of the day? Until now, we've had them every 3-4 hours.

 

[Streathamite]

How? I thought only UK subjects could be forced to attend.

actually, not even UK citizens can really be forced to attend any more. In theory, the Commons could fine or even imprison people who refuse to give evidence. In practice these powers are so long disused as to be unusable now. The most they can give is a rap on the knuckles - big deal.

 

[ymu]

Reuters is reporting that Rupert Murdoch is has refused to go to Tuesday's parliamentary grilling. Silly sod. That's a pretty quick way to be branded 'not fit & proper.' To me, it's looking increasingly like the old bastard's reached his tipping point and is now just running around like a headless chicken.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/14/uk-newscorp-idUKTRE76A1OJ20110714

He's not coming back for BSkyB. No chance. He doesn't care about fit and proper, he cares about News Corp and the US end of the business.

And probably even more about staying out of prison now that the US has gone apeshit. Couldn't happen to a cuntier cunt.

 

[8den]

8den - thanks for that. I've read the whole thing at the Graun site, and there seems to be two differing strands of opinion - I wonder who is actually 100% on the money? - see all here

Well as others have pointed out in the rather plummy version of English Parliamentary law, they can't jolly well enforce him to come, but the can tut and shake their heads and wonder if that's "fit and proper" behaviour for a potential owner of major TV station.

The ambiguity swings both ways.

 

[contadino]

He's not coming back for BSkyB. No chance. He doesn't care about fit and proper, he cares about News Corp and the US end of the business.

And probably even more about staying out of prison now that the US has gone apeshit. Couldn't happen to a cuntier cunt.

Well, isn't it the case that if he's labelled as not fit & proper to own a publishing company in the UK, it would be pretty difficult for him not to be labelled 'not fit and proper' to run his outlets in the US? It's a kind of implicit thing - he'd lose all his UK, US and Australian permits before other countries stopped scratching their chins.

 

[London_Calling]

Well, isn't it the case that if he's labelled as not fit & proper to own a publishing company in the UK, it would be pretty difficult for him not to be labelled 'not fit and proper' to run his outlets in the US? It's a kind of implicit thing - he'd lose all his UK, US and Australian permits before other countries stopped scratching their chins.

Has nothing to do with an 'owner'. OFCOM has nothing to do with the USA. Apart from that...

 

[ymu]

Well, isn't it the case that if he's labelled as not fit & proper to own a publishing company in the UK, it would be pretty difficult for him not to be labelled 'not fit and proper' to run his outlets in the US? It's a kind of implicit thing - he'd lose all his UK, US and Australian permits before other countries stopped scratching their chins.

Well yes, but events are running away with him. It's only just proper blown up in the US. He's been a step behind all the way. I think they've been trying to cut it off at the pass and they've consistently been behind the curve. There are reports that they've been planning this since the beginning of the year, but no one knew that the Milly Dowler story would come out, and Nick Davies is astonished at the effect it's had (he wrote it).

It's a perfect storm. People were already very upset at the way the family were treated in court, and hating the tabloids for it, and then this horrific story comes out ... the rather hefty straw that did for the camel's back. Murdoch has no idea what to do, because he runs his business like the mafia, but he's been dropping his own people in the shit and they are not obeying any agreements that may once have held. Half the News Corp board are briefing against him now.

They do seem to be executing a pre-prepared plan, but it wasn't designed for this and they're still carrying on like anyone cares what they threaten any more. They don't. Anyone making a complaint about Murdoch right now will get taken very seriously indeed by anyone who wants to keep their nice cushy establishment job.

 

[London_Calling]

You really could be Jeffrey Archer. Tell us about the pained expression on Murdoch's face when he learned of the latest setback?

 

[ymu]

Has nothing to do with an 'owner'. OFCOM has nothing to do with the USA. Apart from that...

The point being made is very obvious. You'd look a fuck of a lot less stupid if you spent less time trying to look clever and more time thinking about it.

You're not here to provide content and you're not interested in the content that others are providing, so why are you bothering?

 

[weltweit]

I imagine Brooks and Murdoch father and son will already be swotting up the answers they can give to the select committee on Tuesday with their legal team.

If you were Keith Vaz, what questions would you ask Rupert Rebekah and James?

 

[Streathamite]

Needs dirt from somewhere because that's not worth a wank.

There IS dirt in there, automatically; The MPS giving a lucrative contract - with no proof of due diligence - to a company owned by an ex-NOTW man who had been known to be on close personal friendship terms with senior Met officers - eg 11 dinners together - and who has now been arrested. If anyone manages to disprove due diligence, that's YET ANOTHER met scandal