YouSir
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You seriously went to SolFed and fold them ButchersApron was being horrible to you on the internet?
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You seriously went to SolFed and fold them ButchersApron was being horrible to you on the internet?
why? i'm not the one trying to drive someone off this web forum so why is the problem here with me? This guy is a cowardly motherfucker who now wants to insinuate, which is all he seems to be capable of, that I'm threatening him. I've done no such thing nor would I condone anyone likewise, nor would the groups I mentioned. If they did, I wouldn't want to be involved. I simply asked if they had this cunt as a member so I could choose to make a more informed decision about getting involved. They are entirely free to associate with whomever they wish, as is he. I want no part of them if that's the case. I don't care who he is, I don't care what number his house is, or what his street is, and I haven't, as is clear to anyone that's honest, made any threats at all. Unfortunately he's a gutless little cunt who thinks sniping and insinuating are how people talk to each other.
Nope. Would you like me to clarify my position for you?
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Not really.
So you're just stirring the shit then?
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Just passingly curious.
Unlikely, but in any case. I explained my position within the initial post and just now. Do you think people should not learn about the people they associate with?
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Believe it or not I don't care about this.
You seemed to care enough to insinuate that I was being childish. Is that still your position, or are you just covering your arse?
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tbh i don't understand what you think you'd gain from being a member of the af or the solfed. being an anarchist is in some ways very similar to being a thelemite: you don't need to be in the a.'.a.'. or oto to be a thelemite, and most thelemites aren't in either. equally, there is no requirement to be in one of the local or national anarchist groups to be an anarchist, and once again most anarchists are not in any anarchist group. if you approach a group and say to them in effect 'it's me or butchersapron' i suspect you'll get short shrift because butchers can point to a record of activity over many years, a great knowledge - and a great willingness to share his knowledge, and to make often obscure texts available to people. he's shown people irl what he's made of and if he has one failing it is that he doesn't suffer fools gladly. yes, he can be at times abrupt. but simply from what you've said here this morning you've not really covered yourself in glory in this matter. if i was in the af or solfed, i would be wary of someone who approached the organisation as you have, with a beef against a well-known comrade. very wary.
People socialise with common beliefs. Having chatted with one of the guys at Hydra after getting some info from the recent Bookfair, I thought that, as someone who doesn't have a lot of people to socialise with particularly in the field of politics and social issues, I might find people I could share my experiences with and get support from/lend support to in my own little way. Is that so strange to you?
I didn't approach them with any form of demand at all. I simply said that if they have members who engage in bullying and sniping online that I wouldn't consider joining them. There's no ultimatum; I have no power over them and they are free to associate with anyone, having previously discussed joining and learning about their values. You've made the incorrect assumption that my first interaction with them was to complain about some local guy and his behviour online. That's not the case, I had already met them prior.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't care how much knowledge and virtue one might have. If one behaves in a manner incongruent to that behaviour, such as by trying to bully another out of their space, then all that is worth fuck all.
All the wisdom in the world regarding social justice, class politics and all the rest of it isn't worth a drop of piss if you then behave completely contrary to all those values. Not once has he deigned to be open honest or even, heaven forbd, actually friendly. He's behaved deplorably and I've spoken against it.
If the best you can do is a long winded insinuation that I'm a fool then we're done.
YouSir
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Covering my arse from what? I thought it was odd, nothing more.
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you've had a run in with someone on the internet and you want to turn it into a real life beef. if you're not a fool you're certainly doing a good impression of one. and you have said to them 'yes i am interested but i am not getting involved with a group with butchersapron in it': it is, in effect, a choice between you and butchersapron. you can see that, can't you. can't you?
and if i am longwinded your windbaggy reply is, what, a veritable record-breaking fart of a post.
Then i'm happy to have clarified.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
To make it even better he goes to a bookshop/cafe/meeting space/venue that i helped set up to warn people about me.
I haven't 'had' a run in, I'm being - present tense - accused by someone who has stirred the beehive with a view to marginalising me from the conversation. He's soured the community - to one degree or another - and he can't even come out and discuss the issue like an adult.
My problem is that I can't deal with shit like that. I find it passive aggressive and juvenile. Unfortunately it will not resolve and so the person that will lose out will be me. So you can see why this mght annoy me.
I've no idea what you've done, but that doesn't give you a free pass to treat others like crap and that's what you're doing.
And talking about me while i'm in the conversation doesn't help you make your case
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it's a pity you didn't come along in the good auld days when you might have found a natural home in the anarchist workers group.
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Starry Wisdom
quite.
it should be safe enough for people to post their views without this kind of nonsense. Do you think if I went into the ATOS sub thread and started kickin off about scroungers I'd be contributing productively?
what should it be then? A shit show? Mob rule?
Do you genuinely not understand the issue here?
I'm here now, and if people have a problem with me then I invite them to grow up and address it. All that's happening is passive aggressive crap and it's spoiling my participation in this community.
But then that's the point, isn't it.
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Starry Wisdom
i understand there's an issue if you have come here under the mistaken impression this is a safe space
You cared enough to like Butchersapron's comment insinuating that i was harassing him or planning to.dont think it's an issue of not understanding, I think no one cares
'community'
I just wanna belong maaaaan
The people who claim they don't care do a good job of pretending otherwise
Again: what should it be then? A place where a clique dominates the discussion and marginalises anyone they don't like for reasons they may or may noit be able to justify?
If that's the case just let me know and you have my permission to ban me because I wouldn't want to be tempted back into participating in an environment where I know i'm going to be marginalised.
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