Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
A protestant state for a protestant people: with armed protestant militias
Yeh hardly surprising there was a religious factor
Manchester Arena incident - many reported dead
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Yeh hardly surprising there was a religious factor
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Probably because the situation in NI was more explicitly political, with clearly-defined political aims and demands. In NI, politics was at the forefront, with religion being a significant backdrop. With Islamist extremism I would say it was the other way round, with religion playing first fiddle.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
How does that relate to anything I said?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Those are two attacks reported today that killed over 100 civilians. And you really think religion is the main motivation?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Yes, because that's what ISIS actually says.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
ISIS claim responsibility whenever a Muslim gives someone a cold. But you're taking their word as to what motives suicide attackers who have little or no direct ties to them?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Before we continue, can I just ask you if there is anything I could say that would cause you to change your opinion on what the dominant motivation is?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
So you're just going to ignore that then?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
No. I'm just trying to lay some foundations for the conversation. To see if we are even on the same page here. To find out if a conversation will be at all productive.
To answer my own question, to convince me that politics rather than religion is the main motivation, I'd need a convincing explanation of (1) why ISIS would lie about their motivations, (2) why suicide bombers blow themselves up instead of planting a bomb and moving to a safe distance, (3) why there are rarely any demands attached to these attacks.
All of these indicate to me that the politics is second-place to religious fanaticism, but I'm open to being convinced otherwise.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Haven't they suffered enough !
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Fucks sake.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Go away.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
an article that adds a little more detail to the bombers fathers activities and that of the secret services
Manchester Attack as MI6 Blowback
Manchester Attack as MI6 Blowback
josef1878
Well-Known Member
I used to go there years ago right across road from hospital, I hope they had a good day. Well deserved
elbows
Well-Known Member
Fuck the Voltaire Network.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Apparently, this is Andy Burnham's devastatingly lucid insight:
“Actions of governments can contribute, but let’s remember 9/11 happened before interventions anywhere. We’ve got to deal with what this is – a twisted ideology that has no connection to being representative of the Muslim religion.”
Christallfuckingmighty.
“Actions of governments can contribute, but let’s remember 9/11 happened before interventions anywhere. We’ve got to deal with what this is – a twisted ideology that has no connection to being representative of the Muslim religion.”
Christallfuckingmighty.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Andy Burnham thought funding the NHS via PFI was a great idea.
Why would anyone care what he thinks? He's obviously a neoliberal shitcunt.
Why would anyone care what he thinks? He's obviously a neoliberal shitcunt.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
He's whatever looks like a good bet for his career on a given day of the week.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
Well the opportunist (and evidently not that intelligent) wanker was elected mayor...
Nothing new, I suppose.
Grace Johnson
i like dairylea dunkers
Not on that. She is a young person that has suffered a traumatic experience here too, she's trying to do something to help and you're taking the piss out of her? For what reason? It's not even a good joke. Get a grip man ffs.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Because Americans think he's a twat as well.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
James corden will be back soon as well. 
All I will say, is to remind people of the words of the Tennyson poem, "nature red in tooth and claw". There is decency and good heartedness but there is also an aspect of survival of the fittest. Christians are being ethnically cleansed from the Middle East because they are not strong. It is my observation that power gets used. It's exactly what Britain did in empire days, it had the machine gun so it could suppress the natives and conquer the country.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Is that all you will say? Ever?
Raheem
Well-Known Member
James corden will be back soon as well.
But if we send them that Judge Rinder, we'll still be up on the deal.
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