taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
People here won't need reminding that a prime objective of Daesh is polarising populations and that the vast majority of their victims are muslims. People not here may well need reminding.
Manchester Arena incident - many reported dead
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teqniq
DisMembered
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Back in the day, the individual chapels used to. Problem is that once Murdoch broke the print unions and damaged the journo unions, the "race to the bottom" began, and papers found themselves publishing all sorts of wank that they'd seen as beneath them a few years before.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Well, I hope everyone on the boards is ok. As usual our media is doing a lousy job of reporting anything overseas. I haven't checked Fox, but I imagine they're playing up the terrorism angle to the hilt--the better to oppress us with. I'm glad that the hotels nearby opened their doors to survivors. I've seen enough of most hotel management to think that wouldn't always happen.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
gosub
~#
How is targeting teenagers at a concert polarising? Even your average daesh sympathiser will see it as a bad move.
Tom A
Goat among sheep
The intent is to stir up antagonism towards Muslims in general, feed into an "us and them" mentality, and encourage further radicalisation among Muslim communities.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
As far as I can tell, the objective is to polarise in that people are supposed to start hating and resenting muslims as a consequence, especially (for want of better terms) "moderate"/"westernised"/"secular" muslims.
This is an awful thought for me (having worked a lot in schools and FE in Manchester and around): Imagine those places today, imagine how young muslims will be feeling. If they are being or think they are being ostracised or blamed, it will increase their isolation. Daesh scum don't want cohesion. That's what I mean by polarisation.
The objective (I'm going from memory here) is to do away with "grey" areas.
It's classic Us / Them "clash of civilisations stuff - the like of which the far and hard right get bang into ASAP (as they have this time around predictably). They willingly do the spade work of terror. Britain First and that hopkins woman may as well be on the payroll.
gosub
~#
Vast, vast majority of muslims will be as outraged by this as anyone else. And you know the local mosques will chip in to help the community come together. its not 'polarisation' at best a handful of wronguns will be impressed by this.
Why?
It is a very simple, devastatingly effective strategy. And one that every one of us will be living with for many years to come.
Every outrage provokes an anti-Muslim backlash... which feeds further alienation/radicalisation. And if the backlash is (almost universally) felt by 'innocent', 'moderate' Muslims (ie anybody who is not an outright supporter of the Jihadis - and in their eyes even more 'deserving' of death than even the Infidel) then the Daesh love that even more.
Been working for them for a long time.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Recent election/referendum rhetoric and results would suggest otherwise.
I know it's not been just about terrorism, but it's been a key element.
Tom A
Goat among sheep
That won't necessarily stop the (far/alt) right from tarring all Muslims with the same brush, and for right wingers in general to make demands that Muslim communities "do more" to deal with Daesh and others that commit terrorist acts in the name of Islam - demands they will not be capable of meeting, especially when it's likely to be "never enough".
Tom A
Goat among sheep
One thing that has always struck me about these atrocities committed in the name of Islam, from Paris to London in 2005, way back to the WTC and Pentagon attacks, is how Muslims were also among the victims of those attacks, indeed one of the victims of the Charlie Hebdo murders was a Muslim copy editor.
RainbowTown
Well-Known Member
Another victim just named. 8 year old girl.
Words fail me.
Words fail me.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh but i suppose daesh would say either they're the wrong sort of muslim or never mind, they're in heaven now.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
things will get ugly in misplaced response.
Tom A
Goat among sheep
Indeed - either they're not really Muslim/the wrong kind of Muslim and thus fair game, or they are among the martyrs and now in paradise.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I've actually been got by this. Normally pretty bloody stoic about these kinds of things, even when much closer to me personally, 7/7. But, fuck sakes, this is just so fucking awful I'm losing it and going to pieces a bit.
Fucking wanker.
Fucking wanker.
2hats
Dust.
Indeed, opportunistic/inspired/etc - the inconsistencies between the Daesh claim and the actual circumstances suggest those issuing the claim did not plan this in any detail, if at all.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Around 50 Muslims (excluding the terrorists) died in the twin tower attacks.
gosub
~#
See it different, I think there was a bit of romantic sympathy for AQ when it started kicking off which allowed the nutter elements to ferment, even IS when the Syria started off, but I'm getting a vibe of recognition that this shower is more of a problem than a solution to anything. The far right will be looking through the kaleidoscope more darkly, but they are just about to fall in on themselves due to 'shock' election after the referendum. Or are you really thinking last night is going to win UKIP et al seats?
tommers
Fuck it, it's fine.
Me too. It's so awful.
Presumably to capitalise on the device it backlash. The anti-Islamic religion of peace memes and alike. I know it's not rational but IS only has this to use after this.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
don't see why, they want us all gone
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