Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanishes without trace

[weltweit]

The communications systems of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 were deliberately disabled, Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak has said.

According to satellite and radar evidence, he said, the plane then changed course and could have continued flying for a further seven hours.

He said the "movements are consistent with the deliberate action of someone on the plane".
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26591056

The Beeb has been quite careful in reporting so far so I would say they are fairly credible.

 

[T & P]

The whole point of using an aircraft as a bomb is all the fuel on board an aircraft surely? A target at the limit of the range seems unlikely unless there was something about the hijack plan that would only work on that flight or out of that airport.

Well the fuel adds significantly to the damage caused as the WTC showed only too well. But if one were to crash an even empty-fuel large commercial airliner to any civilian building (say the government HQ or parliament building of a given sovereign nation) the kinetic force alone would be quite destructive, and the attack would still be considered a 'spectacular' and attract world coverage.

 

[2hats]

I suspect there are going to be many red faces at a good number of nations amongst those in charge of early warning systems and coastal and aerial defence.

Well only if it crossed into their airspace and didn't just head out over the Indian Ocean. Truth be known most air defence systems have glaring unadvertised gaps anyway; a significant proportion of self defence is keeping the opponent in the dark and guessing about what your capabilities are.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

The whole point of using an aircraft as a bomb is all the fuel on board an aircraft surely? A target at the limit of the range seems unlikely unless there was something about the hijack plan that would only work on that flight or out of that airport.

Who's saying they're be going for maximum damage/casualties though. A near empty plane could still do plenty of damage couldn't it (although I'd imagine maximum damage would be more their aim)

eta: T&P's just said that, sorry

 

[maomao]

Who's saying they're be going for maximum damage/casualties though. A near empty plane could still do plenty of damage couldn't it (although I'd imagine maximum damage would be more their aim)

eta: T&P's just said that, sorry

Fair enough, just speculating to pass the time. There's a lot of other reasons to hijack a plane apart from a 911 style crash though.

 

[Pickman's model]

are they nearly there yet?

 

[weltweit]

are they nearly there yet?

Dunno, but I keep thinking of Flight 714!

 

[Pickman's model]

Dunno, but I keep thinking of Flight 714!

 

[Pickman's model]

Dunno, but I keep thinking of Flight 714!

 

[Lazy Llama]

Location plot based on satellite last-signal

Eta: same as 2hats post but with thinner lines.

 

[Pickman's model]

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Location plot based on satellite last-signal

when malaysian airlines loses a plane, they really lose a plane

 

[not-bono-ever]

Dunno, but I keep thinking of Flight 714!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It's no worse than believing in Santa.

I don't accept that our knowledge of all things is complete, at this point.

 

[xes]

Is that what you got from my post?

not that one perse, but the rest of them pertaining to a certain specified subject, may lead one to the conclusion that this would be a valid deduction of your beliefs based on your postings.

 

[EastEnder]

I don't accept that our knowledge of all things is complete, at this point.

I never said it was. I imagine there's infinitely more things I don't know than I do. Personally I choose to think that not knowing a rational explanation for something might be more indicative of my own ignorance, rather than implying it can only have an irrational explanation.

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I never said it was. I imagine there's infinitely more things I don't know than I do. Personally I choose to think that not knowing a rational explanation for something might be more indicative of my own ignorance, rather than implying it can only have an irrational explanation.

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

I agree; and a consequence of knowing nothing, is an inability to rule out the possible existence of the irrational.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It is certainly the strangest of strange things. An airliner cannot simply disappear.

 

[maomao]

An airliner cannot simply disappear.

Just did didn't it?

 

[maomao]

I agree; and a consequence of knowing nothing, is an inability to rule out the possible existence of the irrational.

Can you not fuck up a perfectly good thread with your directionless waffling please JC. Plenty of other threads to ruin round here.

 

[Pickman's model]

It is certainly the strangest of strange things. An airliner cannot simply disappear.

just like that. david blaine's got nothing on these people.

 

[Pickman's model]

I agree; and a consequence of knowing nothing, is an inability to rule out the possible existence of the irrational.

no it isn't. the existence of the irrational is certain.

 

[Dr Jon]

Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Jet ‘hijacking’ began soon after take-off

Flight MH370 was deliberately diverted as part of an audacious plan – and the jet was still flying seven-and-a-half-hours after take-off

 

[Vintage Paw]

If it's gone down in the water, presuming it didn't stay intact on the way to the sea bed, bodies will eventually start washing up on far-flung shores, won't they?

 

[equationgirl]

If it's gone down in the water, presuming it didn't stay intact on the way to the sea bed, bodies will eventually start washing up on far-flung shores, won't they?

Not to be gruesome, but bodies in water don't tend to last very long.

 

[eskdave]

[Qhttp://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13949074470169&key=1e857e7500cdd32403f752206c297a3d&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pprune.org%2Frumours-news%2F535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-204.html&v=1&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pprune.org%2Frumours-news%2F535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-202.html&libId=ec93deae-62fa-40fa-ace5-f8dd8eaad447&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.airforce.gov.au%2FTechnology%2FSurveillance44-Command-and-Control%2FJindalee-Operational-Radar-Network%2F%3FRAAF-dq9yQKwX6WliV2hNVcj38sG4oMWiAMtQ&title=Malaysian%20Airlines%20MH370%20contact%20lost%20-%20Page%20204%20-%20PPRuNe%20Forums&txt=JORNUOTE="Pickman's model, post: 12997059, member: 3913"]no it isn't. the existence of the irrational is certain.[/QUOTE]
au contraire PM-the existence of certainty is almost certainly irrational

 

[maomao]

Most likely thing to wash ashore would be seat cushions cause they're designed to float.

 

[2hats]

If it's gone down in the water, presuming it didn't stay intact on the way to the sea bed, bodies will eventually start washing up on far-flung shores, won't they?

Not likely they will get that far if it's deep in the Indian Ocean.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Let's just pause for a moment and reflect that this isn't the first time weird shit has happened...

Followed by...

This Malaysian thing suddenly seems quite reasonable...

 

[Citizen66]

not that one perse, but the rest of them pertaining to a certain specified subject, may lead one to the conclusion that this would be a valid deduction of your beliefs based on your postings.

Rather than it being an attempt at wit?

 

[2hats]

Returning to the last signal location plot (not a flight path plot as a couple of media outlets are misreporting), if the last position were on the southern arc the Australian OTHR (JORN) would more than likely have spotted it (see coloured coverage sectors below, which are likely a conservative range estimate). Also, the Pacific Ocean Inmarsat satellite would have likely heard from it (anywhere east of the green line). Though if it made it to almost the end of the southern arc and weren't flying directly towards Australia I suspect the antipodeans wouldn't have been interested at the time. So it could be in the water towards the southern end of the southern arc.

Thailand and India have more or less admitted to not running 24/7 primary radar surveillance (it's off overnight) so it could have gone for a jaunt in the proximity of the southern end of the northern arc but probably not much further north where one would imagine the Chinese would have clocked them.



CNN have reported that a senior USG source has informed them that there is classified data indicating the aircraft is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. So possibly it subsequently returned to and flew out over the Bay of Bengal (in which case one would imagine it would be in the northern region, NNW of the Andaman Islands, otherwise there would be a subsequent chat with the Inmarsat service).

Of course, that all depends on how much of the bigger picture we've been fed. Which is probably very little...