bi0boy
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The incident on this thread has nothing to do with overbooking tickets or denied boarding, but don't let that get in the way of your plans for the future of the airline industry.
United Airlines violently drag passenger off overbooked flight
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The incident on this thread has nothing to do with overbooking tickets or denied boarding, but don't let that get in the way of your plans for the future of the airline industry.
Well don't let me ruin your jerk off over a corporation.
bi0boy
Power User
You think airlines should be abolished or that they should be charities?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
The fact that it was a smear doesn't make it untrue and raise concerns in his patients!
Yossarian
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How about nationalized? Didn't seem to work so badly for British Airways and its predecessors for nearly 50 years until 1987...
bi0boy
Power User
How did the average air fare compare to the average wage during that period compared to now?
Yossarian
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Fucked if I know, I was about 13 when they were privatized.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Back in those days flying was for the very well off only. No Ryanairs etc. Low cost airlines can't operate alongside state run airlines.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
holidays were northern france if you were lucky, skeggy otherwise. Only four channels on the tele.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
which you had to change with a dial
bimble
floofy
No thanks. Tajikistan airways long haul flight was memorable but probably not the way forwards.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Except that it now appears they misidentified him, so it does make it untrue.
And, if there was an intent behind the smear, regardless of its truth, then that intent can only have been to let the airline off the hook for its unconscionable actions (and policies).
Yossarian
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I remember state-owned Air France being pretty good in the 90s - though China Southern, not so much.
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NoXion
You remain unbroken, for your fight... is Eternal
Communism. Duh.
NoXion
You remain unbroken, for your fight... is Eternal
A nice example of a false dilemma. Especially since subsidy was mentioned not one page ago. Of course the only reason the subsidy would be necessary is because the airline companies want to have their cake and eat it. They could alternatively develop a better business model that actually reflects the economic realities they operate within.
bi0boy
Power User
It was in response to someone implying that airlines were bad because they were corporations
What would that be? They raise ticket prices and less people fly. How else can they cover their costs other than by filling seats and cutting costs given that their margins are so small - typically less than 1% when average over periods of high fuel costs where they make losses.
A notable airline that doesn't involuntarily deny boarding is Ryan Air, but their business model won't work for long haul.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
More people forced to get off a United plane
Bride and groom on way to wedding booted off United flight
Bride and groom on way to wedding booted off United flight
bi0boy
Power User
Sounds no different from sitting in first class on a train when you have a standard class ticket, except you're unlikely to get away with that on a plane. Surely everyone knows you have to sit your allocated seat.
NoXion
You remain unbroken, for your fight... is Eternal
Sounds like airline companies have spent so long cramming passengers in and cutting costs that they have now ended up backing themselves into a corner. This is not going to be sustainable for them in the long term. Oil prices are only going to go up, and widening gaps between rich and poor mean that fewer people will be able to meet their prices. So they can either suffer now, or continue living in denial and suffer a lot more in the future, quite possibly to the point of their business imploding.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
If you're going to travel the US by land, take the bus. They have all 90-day, all you can use passes, with as many stops as you like along the way. And the people you meet on buses are a, let's say "interesting" crowd. You'd go back home with lots of stories to tell.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's a holiday. If you were working, or going home to Mrs Coley and the kids for xmas, the last thing you want to be doing is fucking about with silly trains.Normal people? I like travelling, as slowly as possible in order to experience the errr 'experience'
I'm starting to think I'm some kind of weirdo, I mean, a very cheap three day layover in Singapore en route to NZ, courtesy of Singapore Airlines and the same offer on the return flight?
No, must rush
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
He said "workable".
bi0boy
Power User
They've tried charging more and offering better service, but it doesn't work - people would rather pay as little as possible and put up with shit service. If there was a model that allowed them to entice people with better service without losing money, you can bet they'd already be doing it.
NoXion
You remain unbroken, for your fight... is Eternal
The point is that they're going to be losing money anyway. If they'd rather stick with a system that has demonstrably lead to the brutalisation of customers, then I for one won't shed even a single tear when they inevitably crash and burn in the not-so-distant future.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
This is hysterical pish, Nox. ONE guy got beaten up and it was a massive fuck up that is going to cost the carrier millions.
Airlines that overbook, do so in the knowledge that the vast majority of the time they get their sums right, and as many people that they estimated wouldn't turn up for the flight, don't. People miss planes, forget flights, can't be arsed and have refundable tickets, or change plans last minute. It happens all the time and the airlines have finely tuned algorithms that they work to. On the occasions they get it wrong, more often than not, it's very easy to find people who'll fly an hour or two later, even a day, if offered compo, which is usually free tickets. On the occasions when people are involuntarily bumped they are pretty much never manhandled let alone brutalised.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
its still selling something you know you don't have. CTR shit like that will see you mining salt for a few months
NoXion
You remain unbroken, for your fight... is Eternal
We'll see whether it's this incident or the changing economic climate that leads to United going bust. I reckon it'll be the latter. Nothing "hysterical" about that.
Oh, they have "finely tuned" algorithms do they? How would you know? They told you? And you believed them? Nonsense, the bastards are winging it and this nonsense about algorithms is either PR dribble, or they've bought into the bollocksology offered by whoever they've contracted out the sums to. United gambled and they lost, and rather than eat the costs themselves they used hired muscle to force them onto the consumer. Fuck 'em.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Lol! Never had you down as a frother!
These are some of the biggest companies on the planet who spend billions researching their industry practices. They don't blow their noses without getting analysts and PhDs involved. To suggest that they are somehow "winging" their ticketing is beyond ludicrous. Overbooking works. Get over it!
Don't be daft. This is one case in scores of thousands (bump-offs) that went badly wrong. Stop pretending it's common.
On your wider point, the airline industry isn't going anywhere. It's way too important. It'll change, probably increasing fares, but all that means is that only wealthy people will fly. Fortunately it won't happen in our lifetimes, and whilst people in the UK are able to fly across Europe and back for the price of a night down the pub, they will.
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