Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanishes without trace

[Citizen66]

the ickeists have decided that there wasn't a plane in the first place.

i haven't yet discovered why they believe this.

To distract us from the mutant zombie killer owls.

 

[brogdale]

China Daily reporting the body is in a life jacket. No confirmation.

I hope this comes out in English...

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://t.co/rpycY5iiId&act=url

Edit: Location in the link suggests body found in Penang up the coast from KL. THis is different to the first post which suggested a body was found on the other side of the Malacca Strait.

But the red marker is one the West coast of Malaysia, not the East coast of any part of Indonesia?

 

[Barking_Mad]

But the red marker is one the West coast of Malaysia, not the East coast of any part of Indonesia?

The first post i made was a Twitter report, but without a link saying it had been found on the east coast of Indonesia. The second, from the China Daily suggested that a body had been found in a life jacket near Penang. They might be two different reports or two confused reports on the same possible body.


Edit: New conference suggests the find is untrue or incorrect.


Link to the first report can be seen here: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=id&tl=en&u=http://www.detik.com/

 

[brogdale]

The first post i made was a Twitter report, but without a link saying it had been found on the east coast of Indonesia. The second, from the China Daily suggested that a body had been found in a life jacket near Penang. They might be two different reports or two confused reports on the same possible body.

Yeah, just a mass of confusions...innit.

 

[mack]

Legit or not?

 

[Barking_Mad]

A military chief admitted they were “baffled” by the lack of a distress signal from the aircraft. He confirmed that the military was “not sure” whether the plane had changed course.

“It is a possibility ... we did not track it in real time. The data appears [to suggest it changed course] we have to respond,” the official said.

He added that the raw data would be released in due course.

I think they just admitted no one was watching their military radar, only saw blip when they checked records afterwards MH370

— malcolmmoore (@MalcolmMoore) March 12, 2014

 

[Barking_Mad]

Legit or not?

There's certainly an oil rig in that location, i had a check.

 

[2hats]

Not very impressed with radar, despite quite a lot of radars looking towards this plane's path, none of them seem to have much idea where it is!

The radar coverage isn't complete. With no secondary transponder responses to tie data together and/or no eye witness reports it can be hard to be sure that object X seen on one primary is the same object X seen later on another where coverage between the two is discontinuous. And that's assuming one can pull out a target from the anaprop and clutter.

For example the civilian primary coverage is reported as below. We don't know what the military coverage is and to what degree it fills in the gaps (if at all).



From the latest press conference they now claim that the last primary contact was 0215local some 200 miles NW of Penang which would be towards the upper limit of the range of their radar coverage (unless they had some sea based assets in the region - which isn't apparent) making it even harder to identify positively. If it was at the limit of range possibly it was exiting the coverage area (hence the confusion about what happened next so far as the radar data is concerned).

 

[Barking_Mad]

Letter from Oil Rig Worker reported to be a hoax.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Adam Air crash in Indonesia took 9 days to find the wreckage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Air_Flight_574

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I see some idiot has used this as an opportunity for self promotion.

2 years ago and she decides to report it now

http://news.sky.com/story/1224215/malaysia-airlines-investigates-missing-co-pilot

Saw that yesterday and thought wtf. Suppose relevant IF terrorism was involved because it would show lax security but as they seem to be swaying away from that...

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Further reports appeared last night of Terengganu residents hearing loud noise towards Pulau Kapas, but that's below the flight path taken, so not sure I'd read too much into that

 

[Barking_Mad]

After running more than two and a half hours late the day five media briefing in Kuala Lumpur has come up with a new last possible radar trace for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

It was picked up by defence radar at 2.15 am on Saturday morning, 200 nautical miles or 360 kilometres NW of Penang as an unidentified aircraft at 29,500 feet according to the chief of the Royal Malaysia Air Force, Rodzali Daud.

This is almost precisely where Mr Rodzali earlier today denied saying to the Malaysia Media that this was where defence radar saw the missing airliner after it was tracked flying across the Malaysia peninsula to the northern approach to the main Strait of Malacca.

In other words, in this very chaotic media conference, the air force chief confirmed what he denied he said yesterday, although he did not go into as much detail as was reported in the national media.

This time he said “I am not saying it was MH370.” And he also gave the radar trace a new time, 2.15 am local time, not 2.40 am, which was coincidentally or otherwise the time of last contact with the airliner originally given by Malaysia Airlines before it began a process of changing times and event descriptions on a regular and confusing basis.

It was made clear, through the clutter of the media conference, that this radar sighting inspired the original extension of the search area from the Gulf of Thailand to include the western side of the Malaysia peninsula, and today’s further extension much deeper into the Andaman Sea.

[...]

If it wasn’t an airliner looking like an airliner at 29,500 feet in Malaysia airspace that was seen by the defence radar, at a point where it should also have been easily discoverable by normal civilian ATC radar that in itself on a ‘normal’ day would be a puzzle that the authorities would presumably try to resolve without delay.

What is so frustrating in the lack of detail given by the Malaysian authorities is their failure to address such obvious questions. It would have known precisely what by way of scheduled airliners was flying over western Malaysia on Saturday morning. It doesn’t need military radar to answer that question.

These evasions or omissions in the briefing last night make it overwhelmingly likely that the original reports attributed to Rodzali Daud were correct, and that there is a cover up of important detail being attempted by the authorities, with less and less success with every day.

If they are in the Andaman or South China Seas, the traces of those who were on board MH370 are rapidly vanishing, and the dispersal of floating items of wreckage will make the location of the crash site and the black box flight data and voice recorders, which would have sunk, that much more difficult to find.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/12/mh370-day-five-and-a-new-last-possible-radar-fix/

 

[Teaboy]

I strongly get the feeling that a lot more is known then is being let on.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/12/mh370-day-five-and-a-new-last-possible-radar-fix/

Suppose that sort of ties in with the Pulau Perak theory (albeit a lot further out than Pulau Perak)

 

[Pickman's model]

I strongly get the feeling that a lot more is known then is being let on.

yes but people like me in the know are sworn to secrecy

 

[T & P]

If only Jazzz was still around, this thread would be in its 200th page by now.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Just a little bizarre that some official decided to cut and paste the legs of one of the two fake passport holders on to the other...

Police explanation. Words fail me

SEPANG: Bukit Aman has denied that Police modified the pictures of the two impostors who boarded missing MAS flight MH370.

Assistant chief inspector-general of police secretariat Asst Comm Datin Asmawati Ahmad said the pictures were video grabs from CCTV footage in KL International Airport.

“We did not modify the pictures. What actually happened was the two pictures were stapled together but the bottom portion of the second suspect’s photo was torn off.

“When we photocopied the photo of the second suspect, it overlapped with the photo of the first one,” she said when contacted Wednesday.

ACP Asmawati was responding to allegations on social media that police had doctored the photos of the two imposters as both suspects appeared to have the same pants and legs.

“Both photos are valid. The overlapping does not change the fact that the faces of both men are clearly visible,” she said adding that police hoped to clear up such confusion.

On Tuesday, Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar revealed that police had identified one of the imposters as 19-year-old Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad.

He is believed to have been headed to Frankfurt, Germany and is not likely to have any terrorist link.

Interpol secretary-general Ronald K. Noble said Interpol had identified the second impostor as Iranian Delavar Seyed Mohammad Erza, 29.

 

[existentialist]

If only Jazzz was still around, this thread would be in its 200th page by now.

Yeah, but only because he'd have insisted that the plane would have been fine if only they'd have fuelled it with PentaAvgas and earthed it via an unobtainium ground strap.

 

[frogwoman]

“We did not modify the pictures. What actually happened was the two pictures were stapled together but the bottom portion of the second suspect’s photo was torn off.

“When we photocopied the photo of the second suspect, it overlapped with the photo of the first one,” she said when contacted Wednesday.

 

[DotCommunist]

'doing a menezes'

 

[2hats]

The Malaysian authorities are now reported as seeking assistance from the NTSB/FAA/Boeing in interpreting the primary and secondary radar data. With any luck they will share it with them and they in turn might share a copy with some 'friends' of theirs who might be better placed to shed some light... Though since they have the ADS data as a starting point they may already have an idea (be on the road to having an idea) of where to look and it may then be a matter of how to tip off the right people assuming they are so inclined (*notes Boeing share price keeps dropping*). They certainly need some more data points otherwise it's down to a chance encounter with debris (and as time rolls on it becomes harder to back track that to a search location where one might start looking for the CVR/FDR).

 

[Maggot]

Given the lack of debris and the limited fuel load available, the aircraft must have landed at a facility where its presence can be kept quiet. This would probably be either in the Vietnamese jungle (where recommissioning an old USAF runway would be quite straightforward) or, more likely in a remote region of China where the air traffic controllers could be relied upon to keep their mouths firmly shut. We can safely rule out North Korea for obvious reasons.

Someone on the news just now mentioned this as a possibility. It's certainly looking more likely now.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Someone on the news just now mentioned this as a possibility. It's certainly looking more likely now.

Really?

Surely Occam's Razor is worth observing. The most obvious and simple explanation is usually the correct one, and until there is evidence to the contrary it's better to follow that lead.

Although right now, there's so much misinformation and non-information floating around...

 

[DotCommunist]

why would it be landing in some vietnamese forgotten airstrip? Wheres the logic in that.

 

[kebabking]

Someone on the news just now mentioned this as a possibility. It's certainly looking more likely now.

sounds like loonspuddery to me - firstly, why? whats the reward, what does the new owner of a 777 they can never use get out of it?, and secondly, 'recommissioning' a 40 year old runway is not straightforward... as an indicator, the main runway at RAF Waddington is to be resurfaced and strengthed - its closing for a year and will cost £35 million. the RAF is not doing this because its bored and its got a wedge of £50 notes burning a hole in its polyester trousers...

 

[quiquaquo]

Just a hypothesis: attempted hijack, someone started shooting (either security or hijacker) and the fuselage was perforated by bullets. Depressurisation would almost certainly occur and perhaps fast if there was a widow hit?

The US and Israel certainly use armed security although how that works bullet wise who knows.

 

[Pickman's model]

Just a hypothesis: attempted hijack, someone started shooting (either security or hijacker) and the fuselage was perforated by bullets. Depressurisation would almost certainly occur and perhaps fast if there was a widow hit?

The US and Israel certainly use armed security although how that works bullet wise who knows.

they used bean bag projectiles in the 70s

 

[Idris2002]

Just a hypothesis: attempted hijack, someone started shooting (either security or hijacker) and the fuselage was perforated by bullets. Depressurisation would almost certainly occur and perhaps fast if there was a widow hit?

The US and Israel certainly use armed security although how that works bullet wise who knows.

I think the Israelis use a sort of 'rubber pancake' that is filled with small lead shot, and which wraps up to a size that can fit in a standard cartridge.

Once out of the barrel, it unwraps itself as it rotates in flight, so that it will hit a person with enough force to have stopping power, but won't penetrate the hull of a plane.

 

[Idris2002]

they used bean bag projectiles in the 70s

Curse your pithiness and brevity, anarchist weird beard.