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[Clair De Lune]

Hold on...when they are called 'trolls' it is okay to dehumanise them, even salute them for playing a good game.

Call them 'apes' and it's not on? Trolling and apeing is the same shit IMO.

Nobody congratulated grit so please stop insinuating anyone did. I don't like people trolling about subjects like this. You got me wrong last night.

 

[Pickman's model]

You are curiously obsessed with this. If you really want to know, Stewart Lee nailed the non-toff experience of Oxfrd last week. May still be on iPlayer. Now, do cock off you ignorant little dimwit,

got your gander up, i see.

is 'cock off' oxbridge speak for 'fuck off'?

 

[Gromit]

Hold on...when they are called 'trolls' it is okay to dehumanise them, even salute them for playing a good game.

Call them 'apes' and it's not on? Trolling and apeing is the same shit IMO.

Troll
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory[citation needed], extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2]

Ape
In Internet slang, Oh wait there ain't any wiki entry... and aping is to imitate.

 

[revol68]

Now you are just making shit up

I meant she was brave for posting something that would no doubt get her laid into for. Not throwing her a congratulations you raped someone party! But no, it doesn't give her any more insight.

A good friend of mine is a trans woman. Even though all her life she wanted/needed to be seen as a woman and become one physically. Nothing prepared her for the way she would be treated by men once she transitioned fully. She was shocked by how much casual sexism we face day to day. She realised the fear of getting seperated from friends on a night out, getting groped in public, shouted at in the street...etc etc. I do think that it is hard for men to appreciate what it is like to be made to feel so small just cos of our sex.

the first part and the seocn part of your post are total non sequitors. how has ymu's "rape" of man related to your point about men often not realising the vulnerability women feel to sexual violence.

Anyway like I've said the daft muppet hasn't raped anyone, it was just her typically hysterical approach to the world crossed with a bid for attention and a rather novel attempt to build a platform from a monopoly of experience, afterall the chances of anyone underming such a monopoly by also announcing their first hand insights into raping aren't exactly high.

all in all, it's fucking batshit.

 

[Clair De Lune]

They were unrealated yes sorry. Relevant to the thread though I thought

 

[Treacle Toes]

Nobody congratulated grit so please stop insinuating anyone did. I don't like people trolling about subjects like this. You got me wrong last night.

Fair enough.

I do think though Clair there is a difference between saying, for example:

'He's a troll, don't feed him'

and

'You girls are getting played like a casio whatevers'


One of the above gives credit to the troll IMO, which is why I made the point I did to you last night.

 

[ymu]

I call some individuals apes, and suddenly I'm insulting an entire demographic?

You poor, oppressed little things. My blatant and virtually unchallenged misandry must be just overwhelmingly difficult to bear. I'm not surprised so many of you think it's not even worth mentioning the misogyny, when there is a woman daring to speak out in such damagingly abusive terms.

 

[Pickman's model]

a woman daring to speak out in such damagingly abusive terms.

cock off you ignorant little dimwit

 

[revol68]

Fair enough.

I do think though Clair there is a difference between saying, for example:

'He's a troll, don't feed him'

and

'You girls are getting played like a casio whatevers'


One of the above gives credit to the troll IMO, which is why I made the point I did to you last night.

you've got a pint to be fair it wasn't even like grit was being very funny or shocking, he was a pretty banal troll, the hilarity arouse from ymu's mentalness and subsequent lashing out at anyone who slightly disagreed with her, regardless of whether they came from a pro feminist position or otherwise.

 

[Clair De Lune]

Fair enough.

I do think though Clair there is a difference between saying, for example:

'He's a troll, don't feed him'

and

'You girls are getting played like a casio whatevers'


One of the above gives credit to the troll IMO, which is why I made the point I did to you last night.

Yeah my attempt at being lighthearted was ill thought out in terms of words used. I just liked the keyboard analogy

 

[revol68]

I call some individuals apes, and suddenly I'm insulting an entire demographic?

You poor, oppressed little things. My blatant and virtually unchallenged misandry must be just overwhelmingly difficult to bear. I'm not surprised so many of you think it's not even worth mentioning the misogyny, when there is a woman daring to speak out in such damagingly abusive terms.

poor little rich girl, would daddy not buy you a pony, what a bastard!

smash patriarchy!

 

[Treacle Toes]

Ape
In Internet slang, Oh wait there ain't any wiki entry... and aping is to imitate.

So to ape is to imitate, which curiously means the same as someone who posts inflammatory comments with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response = behaving like/imitating a sexist twat (in the context of this thread).

 

[Pickman's model]

I call some individuals apes, and suddenly I'm insulting an entire demographic?

You poor, oppressed little things. My blatant and virtually unchallenged misandry must be just overwhelmingly difficult to bear. I'm not surprised so many of you think it's not even worth mentioning the misogyny, when there is a woman daring to speak out in such damagingly abusive terms.

fwiw i don't think you're insulting an entire demographic, unless it's 'people who disagree with ymu on urban'. i don't think you've got the wit, frankly. it's not so much your misandry but your petty and vindictive dehumanising of anyone fortunate enough to disagree with you which gets my goat.

 

[ymu]

Really quite concerned at the number of people who think refusing to withdraw and using physical power to prevent withdrawal isn't rape.

Bit fucked up. If I change my mind or need a break, I expect that to be respected. There''s a continuum here, and not recognising where it starts is a part of the problem, IMO.

 

[revol68]

So to ape is to imitate, which curiously means the same as someone who posts inflammatory comments with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response = behaving like/imitating a sexist twat (in the context of this thread).

yes but you can't be an ape of that type.

 

[Gromit]

So to ape is to imitate, which curiously means the same as someone who posts inflammatory comments with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response = behaving like/imitating a sexist twat (in the context of this thread).

Thats not how she is using it and don't pretend that she is.

 

[revol68]

Really quite concerned at the number of people who think refusing to withdraw and using physical power to prevent withdrawal isn't rape.

Bit fucked up. If I change my mind or need a break, I expect that to be respected. There''s a continuum here, and not recognising where it starts is a part of the problem, IMO.

amazing, see how the self proclaimed rapist uses it to lecture everyone else on sexual consent and violence...

fucking twilight zone shit.

 

[Clair De Lune]

Really quite concerned at the number of people who think refusing to withdraw and using physical power to prevent withdrawal isn't rape.

Bit fucked up. If I change my mind or need a break, I expect that to be respected. There''s a continuum here, and not recognising where it starts is a part of the problem, IMO.

With hindsight (for you) it was rape but it's not like you set out to rape him, you were in love and having sex and got carried away I would say. Selfish and foolish yes, rape? no.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Thats not how she is using it and don't pretend that she is.

That is not how you are choosing to read her Gromit, please don't tell me how to read her or accuse me of pretending either. I am not.

 

[Gromit]

That is not how you are choosing to read her Gromit, please don't tell me how to read her or accuse me of pretending either. I am not.

There is a simple way to clarify.

Ymu please explain how you were using the term?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

With hindsight (for you) it was rape but it's not like you set out to rape him, you were in love and having sex and got carried away I would say. Selfish and foolish yes, rape? no.

Yep. I agree. I would rather keep the word rape for acts that are a clear violation. Refusing to stop when you're right at the point of coming is not a clear violation.

 

[revol68]

this is surely the craziest monopoly of experience argument ever attempted on urban, it used to be all about appeals to how oppressed you were, how much of a victim you've been, how you grew up as a one legged mixed race trans lesbian in a welsh coal mine that had emigrated from ireland during the famine, but now with this whole post modern irony shit it's all about boasting of sexual assault and the monopoly of knowledge bestowed from being the oppressor.

 

[Spymaster]

this is surely the craziest monopoly of experience argument ever attempted on urban, it used to be all about appeals to how oppressed you were, how much of a victim you've been, how you grew up as a one legged mixed race trans lesbian in a welsh coal mine that had emigrated from ireland during the famine, but now with this whole post modern irony shit it's all about boasting of sexual assault and the monopoly of knowledge bestowed from being the oppressor.

It does seem rather odd.

 

[Clair De Lune]

We are post pity

 

[ymu]

With hindsight (for you) it was rape but it's not like you set out to rape him, you were in love and having sex and got carried away I would say. Selfish and foolish yes, rape? no.

Precisely. I doubt many date rapists set out to rape either. Which is why I thought it might be helpful to introduce a non-emotive example, with no man at fault, as a discussion point. Making rapists into 'the other' just allows people to avoid thinking about what causes it, including the sorts of attitudes so freely expressed in this thread, to apparent approval.

But apparently, I was bragging about how badly I treat men, and this is why it's been acceptable to hurl abuse at me whilst ignoring deliberately offensive commentary from men. I should just learn to know my place, I realise.

 

[revol68]

Precisely. I doubt many date rapists set out to rape either. Which is why I thought it might be helpful to introduce a non-emotive example, with no man at fault, as a discussion point. Making rapists into 'the other' just allows people to avoid thinking about what causes it, including the sorts of attitudes so freely expressed in this thread, to apparent approval.

But apparently, I was bragging about how badly I treat men, and this is why it's been acceptable to hurl abuse at me whilst ignoring deliberately offensive commentary from men. I should just learn to know my place, I realise.

shut up Rose West!

 

[Clair De Lune]

I also had an ex boyfriend who would initiate sex in his sleep and when I was asleep. I thought he was a weird fucker (no pun intended ) untill I was awake next to him a few times and realised he was in fact asleep. I grew to like his sleep sex...that's prob well wrong.

 

[ymu]

There is a simple way to clarify.

Ymu please explain how you were using the term?

I was referring to the unreconstructed males who have been freely throwing sexist abuse around on the thread. Much as, if I referred to 'boneheads' on a BNP thread, I would be referring to racists, not all white people. But, that point is so obvious, it only needs making to those so desperate to rescue some credibility they are clutching at the flimsiest of straws.

Someone will be posting up another picture of a prison camp next, to portray my attitude to men as pure misandry. Because some people seem incapable of formulating an argument which does not rely on offensive stereotypes.

 

[revol68]

I was referring to the unreconstructed males who have been freely throwing sexist abuse around on the thread. Much as, if I referred to 'boneheads' on a BNP thread, I would be referring to racists, not all white people. But, that point is so obvious, it only needs making to those so desperate to rescue some credibility they are clutching at the flimsiest of straws.

Someone will be posting up another picture of a prison camp next, to portray my attitude to men as pure misandry. Because some people seem incapable of formulating an argument which does not rely on offensive stereotypes.

I don't think it's the use of the term ape alone that is the problem, it's more to do with the whole being a big massive rapist thing.

 

[CyberRose]

This thread needs closing. I've taken some shit on U75 before but this bullying takes the biscuit. I'm actually embarrassed for all these people ganging up on one person because there's obviously something wrong/missing in their lives outside of U75 that they have to make it up this way. Sort yourselves out for fuck's sake...