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[littlebabyjesus]

If a black guy admitted beating up a white guy as a teen, would that disqualify him from expressing an opinion on a thread about racism? Cos I was 18 at the time, he was my first love and fiance, and I'd never cum like that before. The fact that I describe it as rape means I've thought about it in the last 23 years. And I introduced it because I think people need to spend more time thinking what it means than finding excuses for men to hate women.

It was a brave thing to post. Perhaps you needed to spend more time explaining why you now think it was rape, though. From what you're saying, I agree with Clair that it doesn't sound like rape to me.

 

[revol68]

A rolleyes isn't going to cover up some of the thoroughly nasty behaviour that's been going on here.

from whom towards whom, you might also want to consider that someone has just admitted to sexual assault on here, a first for urban I assume.

 

[Pickman's model]

Weber is shite, Foucault is much betterr

that'll be why weber remains core to sociology while foucault's reputation goes down the toilet.

 

[Fedayn]

I suggest you read posts in context. And don't take it so personally when there's half a dozen people lining up to hurl abuse at me. You missed the point just as spectacularly as they did, no matter your tone.

If a black guy admitted beating up a white guy as a teen, would that disqualify him from expressing an opinion on a thread about racism? Cos I was 18 at the time, he was my first love and fiance, and I'd never cum like that before. The fact that I describe it as rape means I've thought about it in the last 23 years. And I introduced it because I think people need to spend more time thinking what it means than finding excuses for men to hate women.

You can say what you like, you can have an opinion on every issue you want, your view is as valid as anyone elses imho, I have never said, thought or intimated anything different. But hey crack on and insinuate that I have. But it's the fact that you seem to be openly admitting sexually assaulting someone, that's what I am shocked at. And yet the response of yourself is not any kind of humility or seeming to be contrite at your behaviour but to criticise the less than theoretically perfect and politically spot on response of others....

 

[Pickman's model]

You can say what you like, you can have an opinion on every issue you want, your view is as valid as anyone elses imho, I have never said, thought or intimated anything different. But hey crack on and insinuate that I have. But it's the fact that you seem to be openly admitting sexually assaulting someone, that's what I am shocked at. And yet the response of yourself is not any kind of humility or seeming to be contrite at your behaviour but to criticise the shocked response of others....

yeh, it's not the sort of behaviour i'd expect from someone who was - or had been - contrite.

 

[Clair De Lune]

Anyone can step away from this thread any time they want. Is bullying possible?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

from whom towards whom, you might also want to consider that someone has just admitted to sexual assault on here, a first for urban I assume.

I think it is brave to be honest about stuff on here. Even though I think he has problems, Gavman's been disarmingly honest on this thread too.

It's all too easy to keep your own counsel about the questionable things you've done in the past and cast judgement on what others admit to.

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyone can step away from this thread any time they want. Is bullying possible?

anything's possible on urban.

 

[Gromit]

I suggest you read posts in context. And don't take it so personally when there's half a dozen people lining up to hurl abuse at me. You missed the point just as spectacularly as they did, no matter your tone.

If a black guy admitted beating up a white guy as a teen, would that disqualify him from expressing an opinion on a thread about racism? Cos I was 18 at the time, he was my first love and fiance, and I'd never cum like that before. The fact that I describe it as rape means I've thought about it in the last 23 years. And I introduced it because I think people need to spend more time thinking what it means than finding excuses for men to hate women.

Its becoming apparent to me that you over-escalate things. Turning a moment with your boyfriend into rape. He could have said no couldn't he? He could have pushed you off couldn't he. Did you have a gun to his head? Was he distressed and upset afterwards?

I say I dislike women cadging drinks.
You turn that into me hating the woman herself rather than the practice and then turn that into a hatred of all women and then turn that into condoning rape cause all women are sluts.

I'm starting to hope that you've played the trolls at their own game and are the one trolling and I mean that seriously.

 

[revol68]

that'll be why weber remains core to sociology while foucault's reputation goes down the toilet.

Sociology is a fucking sham, a pseudo science mash up of politics and philosophy with a sprinkling of positivist shit.

 

[xenon]

it's good to see some culture here.

Franky Howard has a lot to answer for.

 

[ymu]

Nah, you just didn't read it in context. I disagree it was rape, she thinks it was.

If he'd been on top and had the power to refuse to withdraw, it would have been rape. I don't see how there is any meaningful difference.

I wrote a massively long post about different forms of rape and motives for rape earlier in this thread. The apes derailed it. Happens on every rape/feminism thread on urban. I'd not bother if it wasn't precisely this refusal to engage which makes these apes think it is socially acceptable to carry on. It isn't.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I think it is brave to be honest about stuff on here. Even though I think he has problems, Gavman's been disarmingly honest on this thread too.

It's all too easy to keep your own counsel about the questionable things you've done in the past and cast judgement on what others admit to.

i'm honestly gwan to bed, laters.

 

[Spymaster]

If a black guy admitted beating up a white guy as a teen, would that disqualify him from expressing an opinion on a thread about racism?

No, but it may affect the weight given to those opinions by others.

 

[Pickman's model]

Franky Howard has a lot to answer for.

so does frankie howerd, who was rather more amusing.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

i'm honestly gwan to bed, laters.

Night night. Me too.

 

[revol68]

I think it is brave to be honest about stuff on here. Even though I think he has problems, Gavman's been disarmingly honest on this thread too.

It's all too easy to keep your own counsel about the questionable things you've done in the past and cast judgement on what others admit to.

It's even easier when you've not raped anyone.

Fuck me are we actually applauding someone for admitting to this, are we all meant to sit round and pat them on the back for their honesty and then have them berate us about how this sexual assault gives them insight into the dynamics of sexual violence that the rest of us lack and hence we should stfu and agree with her otherwise we are sexist fucks and apologists for rapists and the culture that nurtures it.

right....

this place is fucking mental

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not applauding her for admitting it. I just don't see the value in laying into her for it.

And the rest of your post is exactly the same crap you just accused pauli of. I didn't say any of that.


And if you look back right to the start of this thread, you'll see that I defended gavman a bit too. I'm an even-handed lilly-arsed liberal.

 

[revol68]

and ofcourse the whole point is that the silly fucker never raped fucking anyone, it's just an another example of her ridiculously hysterical mindset.

 

[ymu]

You can say what you like, you can have an opinion on every issue you want, your view is as valid as anyone elses imho, I have never said, thought or intimated anything different. But hey crack on and insinuate that I have. But it's the fact that you seem to be openly admitting sexually assaulting someone, that's what I am shocked at. And yet the response of yourself is not any kind of humility or seeming to be contrite at your behaviour but to criticise the less than theoretically perfect and politically spot on response of others....

It is precisely your fucked up claims about my attitude that made me suggest you read the thread.

Why is revol's rading of my posts considered credible enough to base your opinion on. Why are you repeatedly lying about my attitude even when others have pointed out your error?

 

[Pickman's model]

The apes derailed it. [...] these apes.

i wonder whether, while you were at oxford, you were equally dismissive of the plebs living in blackbird leys while you swanned round the sheldonian theatre and that. your decision to dehumanise people whose posts took the thread in a different direction to that you desired does you no credit.

 

[revol68]

I'm not applauding her for admitting it. I just don't see the value in laying into her for it.

And the rest of your post is exactly the same crap you just accused pauli of. I didn't say any of that.

the rest of it was directed towards ymu's behaviour and implicit argument, not you.

you're not fucking mental.

 

[Treacle Toes]

your decision to dehumanise people whose posts took the thread in a different direction to that you desired does you no credit.

Hold on...when they are called 'trolls' it is okay to dehumanise them, even salute them for playing a good game.

Call them 'apes' and it's not on? Trolling and apeing is the same shit IMO.

 

[past caring]

A rolleyes isn't going to cover up some of the thoroughly nasty behaviour that's been going on here.

Nor was it intended to. Are you trying to suggest there's something I'd wish to cover up?

 

[Fedayn]

It is precisely your fucked up claims about my attitude that made me suggest you read the thread.

Why is revol's rading of my posts considered credible enough to base your opinion on. Why are you lying about my attitude? What gives?

I think your attitude, which consists of you criticising my response to your claim because you deem that response not the be the type of reply you demand and the answers you deem acceptable says plenty.

I don't take my cue from revol ta, but hey thanks for yet more patronising guff....
Lying about your attitude? Nope, I am basing it on what i'm reading. Your first reply to my rather understandable shock at your claim/admission/admission, wasn't anything other than a criticism of my reaction, as if that was the issue rather than the possible admission of sexual assault.

 

[Clair De Lune]

It's even easier when you've not raped anyone.

Fuck me are we actually applauding someone for admitting to this, are we all meant to sit round and pat them on the back for their honesty and then have them berate us about how this sexual assault gives them insight into the dynamics of sexual violence that the rest of us lack and hence we should stfu and agree with her otherwise we are sexist fucks and apologists for rapists and the culture that nurtures it.

right....

this place is fucking mental

Now you are just making shit up

I meant she was brave for posting something that would no doubt get her laid into for. Not throwing her a congratulations you raped someone party! But no, it doesn't give her any more insight.

A good friend of mine is a trans woman. Even though all her life she wanted/needed to be seen as a woman and become one physically. Nothing prepared her for the way she would be treated by men once she transitioned fully. She was shocked by how much casual sexism we face day to day. She realised the fear of getting seperated from friends on a night out, getting groped in public, shouted at in the street...etc etc. I do think that it is hard for men to appreciate what it is like to be made to feel so small just cos of our sex.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hold on...when they are called 'trolls' it is okay to dehumanise them, even salute them for playing a good game.

Call them 'apes' and it's not on? Trolling and apeing is the same shit IMO.

yeh whatever. you pull people up on calling others trolls and i'll take care of people calling other posters apes. ok?

 

[Gromit]

i wonder whether, while you were at oxford, you were equally dismissive of the plebs living in blackbird leys while you swanned round the sheldonian theatre and that. your decision to dehumanise people whose posts took the thread in a different direction to that you desired does you no credit.

Bit like calling people chavs isn't now you come to mention it. A way to dismiss others as inferior.

Called her bitch or equivalent and you'll be accused letting your women hate show. Yet her calling men apes isn't letting her man hate slip?

 

[ymu]

i wonder whether, while you were at oxford, you were equally dismissive of the plebs living in blackbird leys while you swanned round the sheldonian theatre and that. your decision to dehumanise people whose posts took the thread in a different direction to that you desired does you no credit.

You are curiously obsessed with this. If you really want to know, Stewart Lee nailed the non-toff experience of Oxfrd last week. May still be on iPlayer. Now, do cock off you ignorant little dimwit,

 

[revol68]

Hold on...when they are called 'trolls' it is okay to dehumanise them, even salute them for playing a good game.

Call them 'apes' and it's not on?

yes you are quite right, there is a long long history of social elites dehumanising lower classes and races by presenting them as mythical creatures that live under bridges.

finding out ymu went to oxford makes it all make some sort of sense, she's just a spoilt, self important prick with a hysterical need for attention, hence her perverse claim to have raped someone and her subsequent attempt to use such an experience for a monopoly of knowledge which serves to strengthen her argument and make those who disagree active apologists for rapists and pimps of rape myths and culture.

there is almost a mad kind of genius in it, I take back what I said about oxford.