London SlutWalk - now *11th*June, 1pm Trafalgar Square

[Treacle Toes]

oh shut up and buy me a drink babes...

I'll piss you one paulie, how about that?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'll piss you one paulie, how about that?

cheapskate

 

[ymu]

You're admitting that and criticising my response?

I thought you were better than that, is all. You can see the post in context, and I have explained why I introduced it.

If you think that your response is appropriate, well, fine. I'm just surprised at you. But go ahead, scream rapist at me so you need not engage with the point. It seems to be the accepted approach to women who want a serious discussion about sexual violence.

 

[revol68]

no, the idea was girls going round bars (not clubs) trying to get drinks off losers (not wait to be offered them).

and saying that is tacky and classless is somehow being a judgemental sexist?

wtf is going on in the world, back in my day the feminists I know would have been the first to roll their eyes and cringe at such behaviour.

or are we now dealing with this inane third wave feminism where anyhting a woman does ever has to be applauded as somehow empowering, from baking a cake, to burlesque or even selling their body?

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought you were better than that, is all. You can see the post in context, and I have explained why I introduced it.

If you think that your response is appropriate, well, fine. I'm just surprised at you. But go ahead, scream rapist at me so you need not engage with the point. It seems to be the accepted approach to women who want a serious discussion about sexual violence.

can't be rape as rape involves penetration. it'd be some sort of sexual assault, if that salves your conscience on that front.

 

[Treacle Toes]

OMG...being a woman can mean DIFFERENT THINGS!

*shock*

*horror*

 

[revol68]

I thought you were better than that, is all. You can see the post in context, and I have explained why I introduced it.

If you think that your response is appropriate, well, fine. I'm just surprised at you. But go ahead, scream rapist at me so you need not engage with the point. It seems to be the accepted approach to women who want a serious discussion about sexual violence.

i think he's finding it a bit shocking that you brazenly admit to having sexually assualted someone and yet rather than being a bit shamefaced about it you have turned it into some sort of club to bash those who take issue with you.

it's all a bit fucking mental even in relation to the bizarro world of this thread.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

excuse me??

have i said anything close to that?

or agreed with such a sentiment?

fuck me, way to just make shit up.

that's not a sub-text to the argument?

slutty women who allow themselves to be bought drinks for by looser guys who they don't want to shag are somehow responsible for the fact that girls who look like sluts kind of let themselves get raped because of what they look like, because that's more or less the same thing?

bit long-winded, but that strikes to the heart of a lot of the shit that's been posted on here. imo. which is utter fucking bollocks.

 

[Gromit]

and saying that is tacky and classless is somehow being a judgemental sexist?

wtf is going on in the world, back in my day the feminists I know would have been the first to roll their eyes and cringe at such behaviour.

or are we now dealing with this inane third wave feminism where anyhting a woman does ever has to be applauded as somehow empowering, from baking a cake, to burlesque or even selling their body?

Hear Hear!

 

[revol68]

OMG...being a woman can mean DIFFERENT THINGS!

*shock*

*horror*

deep shit

 

[innit]

I'm increasingly in love with revol.

 

[ymu]

Before you get away with putting words in MY mouth....

I never said that.

My contribution re drink was not in response to the OP about rape but the side discussion between spanglechick and Gavman about exercising sexual power and money. Namely this post:



Please learn to read threads properly. Or can't you cope with two discussions taken place on one thread? Seemingly not.

Get over yourself. There's been several flavours of apologist for sexism having a pop at me on this thread, It's not all about you, child.

 

[Gromit]

that's not a sub-text to the argument?

NO!!!!!

FFS people realise that there are two separate arguments going on here but people keep insist on trying to make them into one.

 

[ymu]

can't be rape as rape involves penetration. it'd be some sort of sexual assault, if that salves your conscience on that front.

I don't base my moral code on semantics, no.

 

[Fedayn]

I thought you were better than that, is all. You can see the post in context, and I have explained why I introduced it.

If you think that your response is appropriate, well, fine. I'm just surprised at you. But go ahead, scream rapist at me so you need not engage with the point. It seems to be the accepted approach to women who want a serious discussion about sexual violence.

This is fucking bizarre, you admit to a sexual assault and you think the issue is my fucking response? Now....

1 Where have ai screamed anything at you?
2 What past of you thinks the issue is my response rather than what you actually did?

 

[revol68]

that's not a sub-text to the argument?

slutty women who allow themselves to be bought drinks for by looser guys who they don't want to shag are somehow responsible for the fact that girls who look like sluts kind of let themselves get raped because of what they look like, because that's more or less the same thing?

bit long-winded, but that strikes to the heart of a lot of the shit that's been posted on here. imo. which is utter fucking bollocks.

it's not a subtext to anything i've been arguing, being a tacky classless twat who seeks to solicit free drinks from losers is not justification for being sexually assaulted or anything other than being laughed at really.

 

[ymu]

i think he's finding it a bit shocking that you brazenly admit to having sexually assualted someone and yet rather than being a bit shamefaced about it you have turned it into some sort of club to bash those who take issue with you.

it's all a bit fucking mental even in relation to the bizarro world of this thread.

I bragged about it, did I.

Lying pathetic little shit.

 

[pk]

pay attention to me! Look at me! I'm flouncing!!

 

[Spymaster]

Where's the post about Ymu raping someone?

 

[TruXta]

i said your argument was hysterical and made you look mental because frankly it does, like I said it would be like me cracking up about the police telling me not to leave my downstairs windows or front door open when out of the house, it doesn't mean the peelers are apologists for house breakers even if they ultimately uphold an economic system based on the universal theft of capitalism.

They still exist in a co-dependent relationship.

 

[Pickman's model]

pay attention to me! Look at me! I'm flouncing!!

go on then. this dilly-dallying's a bit shit.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't base my moral code on semantics, no.

good for you. i was basing my point on the law.

but judging by what you've posted the value of your moral code's definitely debatable.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's the thing though. I raped a man once for precisely those reasons. That and not having proper thought about what rape was. (Coitus interruptus, me on top, simultaneous orgasm, I was weak.)

It's one reason why I hate discussions getting derailed by excuses to blame the victim. It's the potential rapists who need to know what's what, and that actually means all of us,

 

[ymu]

This is fucking bizarre, you admit to a sexual assault and you think the issue is my fucking response? Now....

1 Where have ai screamed anything at you?
2 What past of you thinks the issue is my response rather than what you actually did?

My admitting to having done something that could have been a serious crime had my partner not found it hilarious, disqualifies me from talking about some aspects of sexual assault, especially in response to someone saying it has nothing to do with self-control?

You'd respect me more for being a lying hypicrite and not mentioning it. That figures …

Several people screamed at me. I've no idea why you all seem to think you're the only one lining up to have a pop. Is anyone actually reading this thread?

 

[revol68]

They still exist in a co-dependent relationship.

my point precisely, and yet I don't react with OMGZ THOSE CAPITALIST PIGDOGS when they or anyone else advices me to be careful of my possessions in certain places etc

I mean if someone gave me advice on how to avoid getting fucked over by temp agencies I wouldn't start ranting at them about how it shouldn't be my responsibility to try and look out for myself against exploitation and there should be no wage labour at all, and how by givng me this advice they are upholding capitalism.

 

[Pickman's model]

My admitting to having done something that could have been a serious crime had my partner not found it hilarious, disqualifies me from talking about some aspects of sexual assault, especially in response to someone saying it has nothing to do with self-control?

You'd respect me more for being a lying hypicrite and not mentioning it. That figures …

Several people screamed at me. I've no idea why you all seem to think you're the only one lining up to gave a pop. Is anyone actually reading this thread?

yes. it's reduced my belief in oxford's ability to provide a good education.

 

[Treacle Toes]

There wasn't any bragging...

That's the thing though. I raped a man once for precisely those reasons. That and not having proper thought about what rape was. (Coitus interruptus, me on top, simultaneous orgasm, I was weak.)

It's one reason why I hate discussions getting derailed by excuses to blame the victim. It's the potential rapists who need to know what's what, and that actually means all of us,

 

[Pickman's model]

There wasn't any bragging..

good

it's all alright then

 

[Spymaster]

My admitting to having done something that could have been a serious crime had my partner not found it hilarious,

This would suggest it wasn't rape/assault, no?

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

it's not a subtext to anything i've been arguing, being a tacky classless twat who seeks to solicit free drinks from losers is not justification for being sexually assaulted or anything other than being laughed at really.

so the bloke doesn't have a choice, the women lures him into buying her drinks....

that is still, essentially, a construct that you accept and think within. it's all effect and little thought on cause, in that respect.