London SlutWalk - now *11th*June, 1pm Trafalgar Square

[ymu]

Aye, entirely unprovoked that was, wasn't it? You get to throw your weight around, get to make entirely unjustified (and pretty unpleasant) accusations and when called upon to either substantiate or withdraw, then either wriggle or throw more shit around - and the person who eventually retaliates is the cunt in all of this?

Like I say, you're fucking deluded.

You placed yourself in the frame by responding aggressively when I requested that some boys take their frustrated machismo off the thread. You have claimed you were being ironic up to that point, so I have no idea why you assumed I was talking to you, nor why you experienced such an intensively defensive emotional reaction.

Your problem, not mine.

 

[Clair De Lune]

I know that Clair.

Where was I defensive about that rape? Which was rape, and I inroduced it in an attempt to remove the emotiveness of the topic for the men on the thread, in a vain attempt to make them get to grips with what rape actually is. When they're complainiing about women cadging drinks to excuse make sexual violence, I think its kinda important to challenge it.

Predictably, they just used it to hurl more abuse at me.

I have been surprised at how many people have seen fit to criticise me repeatedly, whilst letting some really offensive shit pass. It is siciakky acceptable to express these attitudes. I'd feel a lot safer if it wasn't. Which us why I speak out. Not agreeing with me us quite different from actively encouraging the wankers to pike in on me, by making out that I am the only one in the wrong.

Fair enough, I cann see why it would seem like that actually. I was reasoning with you at first because you were the most reasonable (if aggressive ) person posting. Gromit was spouting bullshit that turned my stomach and I should have picked him up if all was fair. But like I said I join in with where the thread is at. Will take on board what you have said, it's something I hadn't considered about message boards...how you can come accross like you don't care about one thing cos you didn't reply to it.

Anyway I'm off, had a week full of sexist pricks in my own personal life...horrible horrible time.

All the best...and breathe ffs...have a cuppa

 

[Spymaster]

.... some of it is borderline sexist and well out of order tbh.

Nothing "borderline" about it.

 

[revol68]

ymu's a mate of mine and some of the shit that's been posted on this thread has been fucking out of order. i don't always agree with her but some of the stuff i've seen on this thread goes beyond simply having a pop, some of it is borderline sexist and well out of order tbh.

well considering i made a reasoned post disagreeing with her over the top reaction to safety advice given to women walking home by themselves and got nothing but bile and the implication that I was some sort of apologist for rapists I think my responses have been justified.

 

[TruXta]

Fucking hell, either revol is the best troll of the whole thread or he really really doesn't see what he's saying. Anyway, I'm glad you feel you're adequate. Everyone should feel adequate or better.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

pk that's a massive flounce Dickhead.

nah, that's just testosterone apparently...

 

[Spymaster]

anyway that is one place i have no worries about inadequacies.

Not what I've heard from one of your interlockers.

 

[frogwoman]

the other day i was alone. in a room. with a man if i'd have been safer and more responsible, that would never have happened of course.

 

[ymu]

so wait a minute you've raped a man and yet you feel comfortable to throw out terms like inadequacies and limp dicked...

i'd imagine any man who'd raped someone and talked in the equivalent manner about woman would be rightfully shot down as a cunt of the highest order.

being lectured on gender politics by a rapist is a first one...

^^See what I mean, Clair?

Inadequate types like cheap ammunition. Like the wimmin schtick this worm also came out with, and now denies. Because all he has is an aggressive response, no argument or interest in the topic. Just naked aggression.

 

[revol68]

Fucking hell, either revol is the best troll of the whole thread or he really really doesn't see what he's saying. Anyway, I'm glad you feel you're adequate. Everyone should feel adequate or better.

oh don't get me wrong after trying to have a actual discussion about her ranting about safety advice and how it isn't OMGZ TEH SEX0ST!!!!111!! I simply moved into wind up mode punctuate by half arsed appealls to reasonableness meant to further wind the hysterical cow up.

 

[frogwoman]

well considering i made a reasoned post disagreeing with her over the top reaction to safety advice given to women walking home by themselves and got nothing but bile and the implication that I was some sort of apologist for rapists I think my responses have been justified.

I wasn't necessarily talking about you. i have no idea what you did or didn't say. but about people like grit who haven't read the thread and saw someone to gang up on, fucking vultures

 

[revol68]

^^See what I mean, Clair?

Inadequate types like cheap ammunition. Like the wimmin schtick this worm also came out with, and now denies. Because all he has is an aggressive response, no argument or interest in the topic. Just naked aggression.

for the love of god please expand on this woman schtick point, is it in reference to me having an interest in gender politics and for criticising you're embarrassing idea of feminism?

 

[TruXta]

oh don't get me wrong after trying to have a actual discussion about her ranting about safety advice and how it isn't OMGZ TEH SEX0ST!!!!111!! I simply moved into wind up mode punctuate by half arsed appealls to reasonableness meant to further wind the hysterical cow up.

Still makes you a twat. But we've been there, done that.

 

[revol68]

I wasn't necessarily talking about you. i have no idea what you did or didn't say. but about people like grit who haven't read the thread and saw someone to gang up on, fucking vultures

well i joined late but going by how ymu responded to non trolls like me, past caring and captain hurrah who all posted out of interest in the actual topic it's hardly surprising it looks like people are ganging up on her, because she's been rabidly ranting at absolutely everyone who disagrees with her in the slightest regardless of from which angle pro feminist or not, obvious wind up troll or not.

 

[revol68]

Still makes you a twat. But we've been there, done that.

stick to the theory threads where your lack of personality is less grating.

 

[past caring]

You placed yourself in the frame by responding aggressively when I requested that some boys take their frustrated machismo off the thread. You have claimed you were being ironic up to that point, so I have no idea why you assumed I was talking to you, nor why you experienced such an intensively defensive emotional reaction.

Your problem, not mine.

Really?

Well done boys. This thread was somewhat lacking in testosterone, you're right.

And said without a hint of irony, too.

Quality.

Care to expand, cos I have had a shit day and I am well up for kicking your sorry little, but no doubt still peachy, arse?

I'd have thought it was plain as day - on a thread where attitudes towards gender, sex and stereotyping were hardly tangential, you saw no irony in explaining behaviour of which you dissaprove as caused by one factor - maleness.

Glad you had a shit day, btw.

You took a reference to testosterone to mean all men, and presumably all women too seeing as we have it as well, and not to the rather aggressive display of male inadequacy being splurged so utterly inappropriately all over this thread?

That's your best shot at an offensive comment from me, is it?

Given your own comments, just how twisted do you have to be to even pretend to take offence you fucking unreconstructed limp-dicked pathetic little worm.

Cunt off, you fucking child.

Wriggle fucking wriggle. Taken in its context, there's only one reasonable interpretation of your post - not that the behaviour which you were objecting to happened to be coming from men, but that its cause was biology. The exact same linguistic mechanism/shorthand that occurs when men attribute (perceived) irrational behaviour in women to the time of the month, or some other such nonsense.

and in response to the "limp-dicked pathetic worm" stuff?

Come on then - let's deal with my comments. Because again, within context, I'm confident of being able to defend all of them.

Deluded or thoroughly dishonest - take your pick.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

^^See what I mean, Clair?

Inadequate types like cheap ammunition. Like the wimmin schtick this worm also came out with, and now denies. Because all he has is an aggressive response, no argument or interest in the topic. Just naked aggression.

i must admit to be slightly confused now ymu.

you did post to state that you thought you had raped a bloke. i don't remember the context exactly of that post but the fact that it is raised as one aspect of a post doesn't, in and of itself, mean its cheap ammunition. imo.

it does mean having to explain why you use that particular act as any justification or reason for your over-riding argument about the context of the thread. again, imo. i wouldn't say revol was being aggressive, more blunt-edged.

 

[revol68]

I've given up trying to engage with urban's proudest sex offender, best to just wind her up now, more entertaining.

 

[DrRingDing]

There's been some pretty shameful behaviour on this thread.

This means I'm gunna have to read the whole thing now.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I agree with Pauli. I'm pretty confused by all this now too.

 

[Clair De Lune]

x

 

[revol68]

I agree with Pauli. I'm pretty confused by all this now too.

it never made any sense, it was just sound and fury signifying nothing.

i don't know everyone's beef but i got labelled an apologist for rapists cos I disagreed that safety advice for young women walking home at night was a terrible tool of patriarchy.

 

[ymu]

Does the actual post I made before being dismissed as a rapist with no right to comment help, paulie?

That's the thing though. I raped a man once for precisely those reasons. That and not having proper thought about what rape was. (Coitus interruptus, me on top, simultaneous orgasm, I was weak.)

It's one reason why I hate discussions getting derailed by excuses to blame the victim. It's the potential rapists who need to know what's what, and that actually means all of us,

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Ah shit.

 

[TruXta]

Damn Clair, that sounds horrible. Hope you've unfriended said "friend"...

 

[frogwoman]

I agree with Pauli. I'm pretty confused by all this now too.

me too tbh.

 

[revol68]

Does the actual post I made before being dismissed as a rapist with no right to comment help, paulie?

speak for yourself, i've more potential for playing in the FA Cup final than rape.

this "all are potential rapist" schtick has long outlived it's usefulness, it might once have signified some sort of political point but now it's just a lazy piece of jargon thrown around.

 

[Clair De Lune]

Yes, I will never see him willingly again...but like most women I won't report him because the law is on his side.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Does the actual post I made before being dismissed as a rapist with no right to comment help, paulie?

Well, I don't understand where the "no right to comment" comes from, because you certainly have taken that opportunity.

Is your point then, that we need to understand why people commit the crime of rape? If so, where does that get us in terms of a slut walk? Is the explicit expression of sexuality any/ever kind of excuse for pushing some sexual activity? Can women reclaim some of the unequal power by playing up to, rather than avoiding, mens' stereotypes.

Not this "you're a cunt", "no, you're a cunt" kind of debate. imo. again

 

[littlebabyjesus]

speak for yourself, i've more potential for playing in the FA Cup final than rape.

this "all are potential rapist" schtick has long outlived it's usefulness, it might once have signified some sort of political point but now it's just a lazy piece of jargon thrown around.

I have to agree with this. I am not a potential rapist. It makes no sense to talk about everyone being a potential rapist. I'm no more a potential rapist than I am a potential kiddy fiddler or a potential Tory. It just ain't going to happen.

I do accept that brain damage can change things - but then I would no longer be the same me in any meaningful sense.