revol68
what, fucking what?
Did ymu go to oxford?
fucking hell, I never had much illusions in the intellectual abilities of the oxbridge crowd but this has shattered the residual belief that you need some intellectual capacity to go there.
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Did ymu go to oxford?
fucking hell, I never had much illusions in the intellectual abilities of the oxbridge crowd but this has shattered the residual belief that you need some intellectual capacity to go there.
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it's appalling, isn't it?
Paulie Tandoori
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you've never been to old trafford either son so i wouldn't worry....
Fedayn
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I suggest you read what I wrote, as i'm not screaming at anyone. I am however, perhaps i'm sheltered, not exactly a regular reader of peoples confessions of sexual assault...
So, being shocked someone admits to doing what you did means i'm lining up to have a pop?
I would suggest you don't go putting words in my mouth frasnkly. And perhaps think about what you've admitted here and stop with the fucking outrage at someones reaction to your possible sexual assaulting someone....
Paulie Tandoori
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how?
Clair De Lune
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No she wasn't bragging, it was brave to admit I thought. Not really on to use it as a stick to beat her with, it was in context and brought up for a reason.
There will be no valuable discussion here though it seems so fuck it.
Don't be dicks kids
There will be no valuable discussion here though it seems so fuck it.
Don't be dicks kids
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No it doesn't, it adds a level of personal reflection and responsibility/honesty to this discussion, however despite the context of this thread, and that 'trolling' is acceptable and used as an excuse to be a twat I doubt you will get the debate you want.
Fedayn
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Who is doing the bullying?
Who is seemingly outraged at peoples response to their admission of a possible serious sexual assault?
Ah, I see now what Ymu was referring to. Apes etc. As he's pointed out just few posts back, Grommet weren't talking about the drink cadging thing in relation to sexual violence. That's why most peple didn't pick it up and challenge him in those terms. It was a spun off discussion about using sexual alure to get something.
revol68
what, fucking what?
so the bloke doesn't have a choice, the women lures him into buying her drinks....
that is still, essentially, a construct that you accept and think within. it's all effect and little thought on cause, in that respect.
of course the loser has a choice, but surely the whole point of seeking to get free drinks of said losers is the fact you are playing them to a certain extent.
if you think there aren't women out there who use their bodies/looks to lure men into getting them free drinks you are blinkered, how any of this relates to women asking to be sexually assaulted is beyond me, all they have asked for is a drink and the worst they should be met with is a laugh, a wry smile or possibly pity for being classless.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
power.
past caring
The Cathars were right
Fedayn
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No she wasn't bragging, it was brave to admit I thought. Not really on to use it as a stick to beat her with, it was in context and brought up for a reason.
There will be no valuable discussion here though it seems so fuck it.
Don't be dicks kids
There wasn't any bragging...
Hang on a minute, just let me get this straight. Someone on here admits to what she believes was an act of sexual assault and it is deemed as brave, a bit of honesty and personal reflection and to criticise her for that possible act is unfair?
revol68
what, fucking what?
well fuck me it's Foucault.
revol68
what, fucking what?
yep, because by admitting it she then uses it as evidence of some sort of special insight into the dynamics of sexual assault that makes her arguments superior to all of us who've never sexually assaulted anyone or attempted to.
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Nah, you just didn't read it in context. I disagree it was rape, she thinks it was.
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more weber, considering power broken down as authority, influence, status.
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Admitting and sharing an experience that before she really understood what 'rape' means is honest yes. The reflection was this bit....
ymu
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I suggest you read posts in context. And don't take it so personally when there's half a dozen people lining up to hurl abuse at me. You missed the point just as spectacularly as they did, no matter your tone.
If a black guy admitted beating up a white guy as a teen, would that disqualify him from expressing an opinion on a thread about racism? Cos I was 18 at the time, he was my first love and fiance, and I'd never cum like that before. The fact that I describe it as rape means I've thought about it in the last 23 years. And I introduced it because I think people need to spend more time thinking what it means than finding excuses for men to hate women.
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hmm...
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A rolleyes isn't going to cover up some of the thoroughly nasty behaviour that's been going on here.Someone else who's taken the trouble to read the thread, I see.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
this time with words. how does one deal with the basic power imbalance that presents itself in a scenario that you present as pretty common? pretty boys and girls all out on the town, having fun. when does buying drinks move into buying more, when does catty clothes mean that you're ready for a cuddle? or more? who decides? and why?
and where's my fucking pendulum......
Was this. (Sorry can't work out that linking to single post thing.
" Originally Posted by ymu
That's the thing though. I raped a man once for precisely those reasons. That and not having proper thought about what rape was. (Coitus interruptus, me on top, simultaneous orgasm, I was weak.)
It's one reason why I hate discussions getting derailed by excuses to blame the victim. It's the potential rapists who need to know what's what, and that actually means all of us,
"
Now, maybe I'm being thick. Maybe my morality is fucked up. But I don't quite understand that being rape. Didn't particularly want to ask for more detail when first saw the post. Yes, I know what the latin phrase means.
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and then revol turns up
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
oh shut up.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Weber is shite, Foucault is much better, anyway am I going to have to construct his point for him? Was it about the power imbalance between the sexes and how this explains such behaviour from some woman, marginalised as they are from socio economic power and so reduced to trading on their looks or bodies as assets?
Yes very good, it still doesn't mean it isn't tacky and classless behaviour to go around asking losers to buy you a drinks.
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