London Anarchist bookfair 2020

[Shechemite]

The weather was nice

 

[ViolentPanda]

It’s perfectly clear that (whoever these people are) they don’t feel we are part of the same movement as them. And given the evidence, I don’t think that should bother us. We probably aren’t.

But if they can just get on with whatever it is they do without spreading lies about us that would be optimal.

Performative, posturing pseudo-anarchism should NEVER bother us.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You can make many different types of statement about the trans wars. However, one thing that makes no sense at all is to label the varied parts of it (from hard left to hard right) that reject the uncritical acceptance of trans identities (for whatever reason) as “liberal”. It’s the very opposite of liberal. Liberal means that you take the isolated individual as primary, and their opinion as sovereign regarding their position and role in the world. The only reasonable liberal stance is the uncritical acceptance that if a person says they are a woman, that means they are a woman.

Makes belboid a liberal, then.

 

[ViolentPanda]

well, you clearly had a clue the original ACG statemwnt on trans rights was somewhat lacking as you updated it after eighteen months.

It says you oppose trans oppression, who doesnt (except for the most vicious terfs)?

Then we get to the a paragraph that is almost literally a seat fitted fence:

The particular relationship between trans women and women who are born female and socialised as women has been fraught and has resulted in extreme polarisation, making it very difficult to unite against patriarchy, gender oppression and capitalism. Sensitivity and understanding of the oppression that different groups experience – females socialised as women, trans women, trans men, and non-binary – is needed in order to move forward.

Which actually says absolutely nothing about to how to resolve those differences, which makes it just a vague platitude. ffs you can't even bring yourself to use the word cis.

Interesting. You want danny to use a word that has been brought into existence in opposition to trans. Hardly going to bring around a resolution of differences, is it?

 

[ViolentPanda]

FFS, come back to check a message, to see yet another ACG member jacketing me with that shit.
It's not me comrades, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Numerous ACG members gleefully and repeatedly jacketing a fellow anarchist... ugh. sort it out.

Regarding the AF split (Which has absolutely nothing to do with the Bookfair collective or it's decisions) The statement that was put forward contained lots of dogwhistling, unconscious as they may be, nobody thought it was written by transphobes, but by people who were repeating the talking points of transphobes in the defence of a transphobe . One which trans members of the Federation had for two years or so been telling others was transphobic.("Helen is a comrade" probably not the best use of words given the situation at the time) It's not like there wasn't discussion long before Bookfair 2017, immediately after (like the next day) and in the following weeks before a dozen members penned that statement, the original version of it which was pretty aweful. I and other members, rightly responded to it with disapproval, maybe even a little shock, I'm not that close to any of you, but it really hurt others who were and the subsequently proclaimation that the "Fed had turned too liberal we have to leave" because people trying like fuck to highlight that it was full of dogwhistles, transphobic talking points etc was just, messed up.

Discussion and consensus reaching dissolved before the defensive postures and hostility taken up when people tried to tell y'all how messed up it was.
Now here we're fucking gassing about it on a public thread, which is only going to inflame the situation instead of talking about it privately and working to repair that damage?

Look, I'm glad it was edited before it was posted, I'm glad the two or three trans solidarity statements since have continued to improve (tho I'm not it's ideal imo) but development needs recognition of past problems, and frankly I think that's what some are struggling to see. It's why you've got angry individualists writing anonymous posts and why other groups have such a sour opinion and make the choice to have no communication or whatever. You've been about for four years and have yet to acknowledge that a good portion of your membership were party to this, hoping that the rest of the Anarchist milleu will just forget and they won't, like it's got nothing to do with the AF or me, is the Anarchist scene mates. I heard more than one random person cussing you out as "Transphobes" at the bookfair, I don't agree with it, but it's there because you won't acknowledge it so for half the movement it just looks like you're trying to cover up, mass deny and move on and it's not going to go away, and I'm talking here about people who have nothing to do with the AF, Bookfair or anything like that.

Right here on this thread, we've had a massive pile on, for what? Coz I'm beholden to others and my manner can be a bit glib or obtuse? Ok, I get it I do. I'd call me a dick too, I've taken the public lashing (deserved or otherwise) and the joke of it is, you are taking out your resentment on the wrong person is, just as Charlie is when he's having a moan about me about town and here when you are attaching some random persons bullshit to me and as Nastned is doing here.

Jacketing people with false accusations is dodge as fuck. Don't do it.

It's not me whose got an issue with you, it's everyone else mate, frankly I don't care, I spend zero of my time thinking about cha other than "now that they are distinctly platformists there is more definition between them and AF which is a good thing" and I look forward to going back to that, at best I think you should write some formal handshaking emails to various groups and start rebuilding the bridges you burnt, even if it was just a small portion of your members, that damage is real and you seem to think it's just those gutter snipes at the AF raining on your parade. I hope now, maybe, you realise that it aint.

Oh and stop jacketing me as your great detractor, I'm a bit precious about people lying about me to be honest and again, you are wrong.

I'm very clearly not talking about certain things and I have my reasons, I've got other shit to attend to rather than spend my mornings writing this stuff so please, comrades, in all good faith here, stop fucking lying about me coz you've got beef and just stop bringing me up in this thread, especially as a scape goat.

So basically nothing is your fault, it was big kids that done it, then ran away?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Absolutely howling at “good folk here who should be kept in the loop”.

He still hasn't realised we're all thoroughgoing cunts (except you, of course!).

 

[ViolentPanda]

Could borrow one off Monte. The one they all wear when doing drilling at freedom. Look at me, I'm doing a drilling. With my hands. Not like you bookworms.

Ah, I love performative manual work, it's so fucking bourgeois!!!

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Would have read this thread sooner if I'd known about the all the iron fist action going down here! Expulsion on ideological grounds. Check. Opaque expulsion procedure. Check. Refusal to engage with dissenters. Check. Denunciation of dissenters and the "vile insult from the incompentant anarchkiddies". Check. Very excellent stuff all round!

 

[brogdale]

Would have read this thread sooner if I'd known about the all the iron fist action going down here! Expulsion on ideological grounds. Check. Opaque expulsion procedure. Check. Refusal to engage with dissenters. Check. Denunciation of dissenters and the "vile insult from the incompentant anarchkiddies". Check. Very excellent stuff all round!

Stamarchism!

 

[campanula]

Um, I have also been having a daily read cos who doesn't like a bit of foaming outrage. (when someone else is doing the shouting). There is some fairly decent quality rage at my allotment society, but as my plot seems to excite a fair bit of it, I tend to give meetings a miss and hide in my shed.

 

[hitmouse]

I have been trying on and off to work my way through the older bits of this thread as a way of killing time, in a sort of "Previously on the London Anarchist Bookfair drama thread..." way. Is it my memory playing tricks on me, or was there a bit where someone, I think the now-departed Larry, started posting algebra for some fucking reason?

 

[Serge Forward]

I have been trying on and off to work my way through the older bits of this thread as a way of killing time, in a sort of "Previously on the London Anarchist Bookfair drama thread..." way. Is it my memory playing tricks on me, or was there a bit where someone, I think the now-departed Larry, started posting algebra for some fucking reason?

You really need to get out more

 

[hitmouse]

You really need to get out more

Fair comment. I would blame working from home, but then I was already a deeply tedious person anyway so .

But also: you know that bit in superhero films where they show you the villain's origin story, the moment that made them so bitter and twisted, like Danny DeVito falling into a vat of radioactive penguins or whatever? If you go back and read the bit of this thread where Rhyddical first shows up and immediately gets bombarded with nonsense about PPE and whether saying y'all is cultural appropriation, I reckon that's the moment that led to him becoming Jokerfied.

 

[Wilf]

Fair comment. I would blame working from home, but then I was already a deeply tedious person anyway so .

But also: you know that bit in superhero films where they show you the villain's origin story, the moment that made them so bitter and twisted, like Danny DeVito falling into a vat of radioactive penguins or whatever? If you go back and read the bit of this thread where Rhyddical first shows up and immediately gets bombarded with nonsense about PPE and whether saying y'all is cultural appropriation, I reckon that's the moment that led to him becoming Jokerfied.

I'm working it up into a filmscript, a clash of 2 superheroes: 'Stallwanter Versus the Mysterious Question-Notanswerer'. Might need a bit of work.

 

[Santino]

I'm working it up into a filmscript, a clash of 2 superheroes: 'Stallwanter Versus the Mysterious Question-Notanswerer'. Might need a bit of work.

ACGman vs the Noper

 

[DaveCinzano]

Pensioners Non-Assemble

 

[Sue]

I'm working it up into a filmscript, a clash of 2 superheroes: 'Stallwanter Versus the Mysterious Question-Notanswerer'. Might need a bit of work.

You really need to get out more

 

[steeplejack]

The Wronged Greybeards versus the Performative Silence

Passive Aggressive Hi Vis & the Case of the. pdf Challenged

 

[Serge Forward]

Fair comment. I would blame working from home

Tis true. I've never been on urban and t'internet in general so much, since (pretending to) work from home came in.

 

[Shechemite]

No cuntery for old men

 

[Serge Forward]

The Bookfair Murders (TV Movie 2000) - IMDb

 

[Sue]

The Bookfair Murders (TV Movie 2000) - IMDb

Bloodbath...

 

[DaveCinzano]

...And Justice For Stall

 

[DaveCinzano]

Pee-Dee-Eff's Big Adventure

 

[DaveCinzano]

Grumpy Old Mensheviks

 

[DaveCinzano]

Oh, and obviously Grumpier Old Mensheviks

 

[Wilf]

The Rhyddler.

 

[Shechemite]

Dear god

 

[hitmouse]

Anyway, I'm looking forward to John Quail's new book covering this period of history, The Long-Running Beef.

 

[Wilf]

The Plank Stall. In this hilarious British silent comedy, members of the ACG carry their plank stall around London with plenty an ideological mishap on the way. Starring Eric Sykes Serge Forward and Tommy Cooper Danny La Rouge.