No idea where you got the notion that I said I wouldn't judge them, I just don't judge them on the particular terms which were given ("(not) being a dickhead").
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No idea where you got the notion that I said I wouldn't judge them, I just don't judge them on the particular terms which were given ("(not) being a dickhead").
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Tbh it depends what they said. Your all hail the great god Science ignores the way science progresses, which isn't by consensus but by paradigm shifts, and you'd not be so complacent if you'd read kuhn or feyerabend
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I didn't say you said it.
Interesting assumption that I haven't read them. You call a Kuhn and a Feyerabend, I raise you a Kolmogorov and a Turing. Edit: Scratch that, I should just raise you plain reasoning. Assuming the obvious fact that science progresses by paradigm shifts, does that mean that on any given question the opinion of an individual scientist has as much weight as the scientific consensus? Should I believe that couple of physicists who deny man-made climate change because, you know, paradigm shifts and stuff?
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True, you said that what I said suggested it. Still don't see where you get the notion that would be suggested though - I had thought it would be trivial that some form of judgement is obviously required, if only in deciding what to respond to who.
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
Oh, and Rhyddical, the ACG is not a network, it's an organisation.
Fuck interstellar travel, it ain't gonna happen. Do one on interstellar language instead, the pomos are all about discourse and stuff anyway, aren't they?
Rhyddical
May or may not look sexy in Hi Vis.
Anarchism in the space age , a panel discussion. Fuck yeah.
It's my mission to make that happen now ;p
Where was it?
Do get some actual experts on that panel though, and not cherry-picked ones like Pickman was doing. It may be all hip and dandy to jump from plate tectonics to extraterrestrial life by sheer wishful thinking, but it hardly constitutes solid evidence. Seriously though, even Pickman's choice has a better claim to extraterrestrial life than your paper on Europa's plate tectonics - at least with the former there was a time when biological explanations were necessary to explain the data.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
All that revolutionary politics plus space or aliens or asteroids etc is a right turn off for me tbh, all a bit gamer scifi. Makes me think of lots of black tshirts. I can't even get into ursula le guin
nogojones
spelling is overrated
On Earth
Space and asteroids aren't scifi though, they are real things. Aliens and Ursula Le Quin's work are scifi. I had assumed the panel discussion to be based on science rather than science fiction, perhaps that assumption was wrong. In which case I agree and it wouldn't interest me either. I'd still like to see a pomo literary critique of Lincos though, should be interesting.
Manchester. Someone off here organised it iirc.
there you go - there's a video of it towards the end of the thread if you're interested: [Thu 11th Aug 2016] Socialism & Space (Manchester)
ska invita
back on the other side
The Dispossessed As Praxis: Lessons From Mad Mike Hughes. Room 321 2pm
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
My ex house mate many many moons ago
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Piss off.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Anarchist Colonization of Mars
I was on a recent episode of the Anarchy Bang podcast with the topic being Anarchist Colonization of Mars. Here are the pieces that I wrote for the intro and the editorial for this episode.
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Well no, because a paradigm shift, or a scientific revolution, is thought to develop when new facts aren't accounted for within the existing theory and so there is a breaking down of that theory, which is replaced by new theory, not just small modifications to existing theory that characterises 'normal science'.
The couple of physicists you speak of aren't presenting any new agreed upon facts that push the constraints of existing theory are they? On the one hand you say it's obvious that science progresses by paradigm shifts, the next you imply that concept implies a form of relativism.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Try reading my post in context of the claims by Pickman it was a response to. Pickman presented the claim by an individual scientist that the Martian meteorite constitutes solid evidence of extraterrestrial life. I presented that the scientific consensus on that question is that no evidence of extraterrestrial life has been found yet. Pickman retorted by bringing up Kuhn and Feyerabend claiming that science progresses by paradigm shifts. Specifically the argument goes basically "science progresses by paradigm shifts therefor the opinion of this one scientist should have as much weight as the scientific consensus" and that is the argument I responded to with my post. I'm arguing against the relativism which was being implied by Pickman's post about paradigm shifts. My point in that post is very simple: Just because science progresses through paradigm shifts doesn't mean that any random individual scientist's belief on a question holds as much weight as the scientific consensus on that question.
You seem to be ascribing to me the argument which I was arguing against and interpreting my two leading questions designed to point out the flaw with that argument with genuine questions which might be answered affirmatively. Although admittedly I could've written that post a bit clearer instead of just relying on two leading questions - that I decided later to change tack from bringing up Kolmogorov and Turing to just some quick direct reasoning probably didn't help the readability of my post either. Kolmogorov and Turing weren't just arbitrarily brought up either, if you combine Kolmogorov complexity theory and computability theory you can construct a precise formalism for scientific progress through paradigm shifts, and why and when one changes from ad-hoc modifications to current theory to shifting to an entirely new theory, see for example the Minimum Message Length formalism.
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Proper Tidy
Arsed
See this is what I was on about when I said space communism is a boring load of shite
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
I think most things can be terrible when the nerds take over.
The Association of Autonomous Astronauts was not a boring load of shite.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Lurdan
old wave
Are you saying you can't find any value in this ?
J. Posadas - Flying saucers, the process of matter and energy, science, the revolutionary and working-class struggle and the socialist future of mankind (1968) - Marxists.org
A leading figure in the Fourth International who was unafraid to move the paradigm shift stick and boldly lead socialist theory beyond the alienated limits of human rationality.
You believe that you can track the way in which scientific communities change their understanding of the world with some kind of complex algorithm?
That kind of abstraction makes me queasy, no wonder you need all those words to hold on to.
It's not my problem that "abstractions" (aka perfectly mainstream math) make you queasy. Other than that, there were two possibilities for your initial "misreading" of my post, which was that you either had a genuine misunderstanding or were disingenuously misrepresenting what I said. You were given the benefit of the doubt with my initial reply and have now shown clearly that the latter is the case, so I will happily leave you to go troll someone else. Edit: And just for the record, I didn't claim one can "track the way in which scientific communities change their understanding of the world with some kind of complex algorithm" - what I said was that formalisms exist which can tell you precisely under which circumstances to either add another ad-hoc modification to a model or change to another model entirely, and I gave you one example of such a formalism. This is hardly contentious and such model-selection formalisms have existed since at least the 70s.
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