London Anarchist bookfair 2020

[two sheds]

Not the Association for Corporate Growth then

 

[Larry Noppius]

I think there are several layers of discussion going on. As usual with this debate. For the avoidance of doubt, I count Fozzie Bear and chilango as decent folks and comrades.

Oh yeah I'm sure they are, and as much as chillango probably feels otherwise I have on at least one occasion already held back in my responses to him exactly because I think they're decent folks and comrades.

 

[danny la rouge]

Not the Association for Corporate Growth then

No. The Anarchist Communist Group. You can read about our wicked ways on the interwebs. ACG logo included in watch list

 

[chilango]

In fairness to Larry Noppius I'm probably guilty of failing in my attempts to "not be a dick" in some of my replies to him. For which I apologize.

As my Gran used to say* "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything". So I'll leave off bickering with Larry now.

*Though tbh she also used to say "softly, softly catchee monkey" and "even if you fell in a midden you'd come up smelling of roses" so read into this what you will...

 

[chilango]

I’m a member of ACG, who are, apparently, “terfs who support Helen Steel”. This Judgement is non negotiable and actual statements or positions are irrelevant.

That's pretty shocking.

One of the only nationally organised, explicitly Anarchist groups banned from the Anarchist Bookfair.

 

[JimW]

If you stay at home and lock your doors you have nothing to fear from the Anarchist Communist Group.

 

[danny la rouge]

My granny once announced to a roomful of people in the local shop “I’m just off to join the IRA. I said I never would but they finally won me round with scones”.

Spoiler: Malapropism

She meant the WRI. But she caused a few jaws to drop.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

yes he did

At last we agree. (Or did I miss something?)

 

[JimW]

Continuity WRI.

 

[danny la rouge]

That's pretty shocking.

One of the only nationally organised, explicitly Anarchist groups banned from the Anarchist Bookfair.

‘Banned’ is a strong word. Not invited.

 

[chilango]

‘Banned’ is a strong word. Not invited.

Ah. Yes. Fair point.

 

[Larry Noppius]

In fairness to Larry Noppius I'm probably guilty of failing in my attempts to "not be a dick" in some of my replies to him. For which I apologize.

Did I not literally tell you that I don't care if you're "being a dick" (whatever that even means) in your replies to me? So what are you apologizing for? You have seem to have serious trouble with the notion that perhaps other people don't model and valuate the world the way you do. As far as I'm concerned, I have no squabble with you and I'm perfectly sure you're a decent comrade, but if you don't want the words "unsolicited" and "unwelcome" advice to "leap out at you" then don't put them in your post. How the fuck is this not obvious?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The last one I went to there was a bloke walking everywhere backwards. That was quite fun.

I think I saw him at a demo the other day. Unless there's a whole retropedestrian vanguard.

 

[chilango]

Like I said, I feel that I wasn't living up to my own aims of "not being a dick" in social interactions. That's it.

 

[two sheds]

I think I saw him at a demo the other day. Unless there's a whole retropedestrian vanguard.

Or channelling Spike Milligan.

 

[Pickman's model]

Look Pickman, if you don't want someone to reference their argument with someone else in their dealings with you then don't ask them about it, that should be obvious.

I didn't ask you about it, which I thought was obvious. I asked if you're this much of a prig irl.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Rhyddical

chilango and I, along with a trans poster here who will remain nameless attended a meeting of the ACG at the London Radical Bookfair in 2018.

It was a good meeting and there was (naturally) no hostility directed towards any of us.

I subsequently went to two ACG meetings at Mayday Rooms.

Based on my experiences and reading ACG materials, I am really struggling with the idea that anyone in the group is a Terf.

I wouldn't want to associate with a group that held those beliefs, so it would be worrying if the London Anarchist Bookfair 2020 organisers had evidence of this that they were witholding from the rest of us.

You don't have to reply to me publicly here but I hope you will take this on board.

 

[Larry Noppius]

I didn't ask you about it, which I thought was obvious. I asked if you're this much of a prig irl.

And I answered. If you don't like the answer then that's your problem.

 

[Pickman's model]

And I answered. If you don't like the answer then that's your problem.

It was like asking what's the tan of 45 and getting an answer to the question what's the connection between goldfinger and carry on nurse

 

[Larry Noppius]

Like I said, I feel that I wasn't living up to my own aims of "not being a dick" in social interactions. That's it.

You were apologizing to yourself? What exactly did you consider "being a dick" anyway? I didn't even really experience it as "being a dick" so much as simply exasperating at one point.

 

[Larry Noppius]

It was like asking what's the tan of 45 and getting an answer to the question what's the connection between goldfinger and carry on nurse

More like quoting a question on the connection between goldfinger and carry on nurse to ask "is this connection always like this?" and then standing in amazement at getting an answer that references the connection between goldfinger and carry on nurse. I'll just refer you yet again to the post above summarizing and linking to the relevant exchange. Talk about premises built on sand, right?

 

[Pickman's model]

More like quoting a question on the connection between goldfinger and carry on nurse to ask "is this connection always like this?" and then standing in amazement at getting an answer that references the connection between goldfinger and carry on nurse. I'll just refer you yet again to the post above summarizing and linking to the relevant exchange. Talk about premises built on sand, right?

you should be tutoring a course in advanced priggery and taking one in remedial english

 

[two sheds]

Have you met Pickman's before, Larry ?

 

[Larry Noppius]

Have you met Pickman's before, Larry ?

Not to my knowledge, why?

 

[two sheds]

No reason

 

[Larry Noppius]

Like I said, I feel that I wasn't living up to my own aims of "not being a dick" in social interactions. That's it.

Besides, if by your own claim your notion of "being a dick" is based in considering the effect of your behaviour on others, then me telling you that you did not have that effect on me implies you were not, in fact, "being a dick" so no need to even apologize to yourself.

 

[Larry Noppius]

No reason

A highly dubitable claim.

 

[two sheds]

indubitably

 

[LDC]

I'd be very interested to know what the reasons for the ACG being 'not invited' are. And if the situation is they've asked for a stall and/or meetings and been turned down, or if they do ask for one they will be. If they have been then this makes a mockery of the claims of Rhyddical

I think this is an important issue that is discussion for more than just the Bookfair organisers if this is the case.

 

[stethoscope]

I seem to have completely missed a whole load of this thread about ACG. What's the deal there then re. bookfair? Have they not been invited or is there some disagreements raging between them and the bookfair crew? I think we should be told.

I do have big fucking issues with how people like Larry who seem to barely be able to properly discuss things in a genuine and open manner though, have rather blighted this whole sodding debate so far - and lots of Glinners and Spiked's all doing their very best to use it as a wedge too. I only look into social media as I don't post on any of them but that's bad enough.

I'll look forward to seeing some of you at bookfairs anyway. Be nice if I don't get accosted for a shit anti-trans flyer outside too, still always makes for roach material!