TheHoodedClaw
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Yup, the ones in the desert I guess.
Libya - civil unrest & now NATO involvement
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Yup, the ones in the desert I guess.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or bringing them in...
elbows
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The same source reports a Libyan government Falcon is due to depart Minsk for Mitiga airport which is just east of Tripoli.
I know we had heard rumours about Mitiga airport earlier today. There is also this story from Reuters Africa:
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE71O28420110225
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
Also he reported a USAF KC135 tanker arriving in the area. A quick google reveals that this is capable of refuelling Chinooks. Game on, then.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
There's a Newsnight investigation into Saif al-Islam Gaddafi's London connections here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9407335.stm
elbows
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The ferry with many US citizens on board is arriving in Malta now. A flight with US onboard has also departed Libya. The US Embassy in Tripoli is now closed. The Whitehouse has just given a press conference and are now able to steadily strengthen their language, including mentioning using their intelligence assets to monitor Gaddafi's actions against his citizens, and unilateral sanctions.
elbows
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AlJazeera English have gone completely over the top in regards to showing continuous live coverage of the ferry with US & other citizens on-board that has docked in Malta. They are showing all the passengers disembarking. The anchor has made sloppy comments such as 'these are pictures of the first people to leave Tripoli'.
No doubt this is part of the channels attempts to gain popularity in the USA, plus the ease with which they can shoot & broadcast these images.
No doubt this is part of the channels attempts to gain popularity in the USA, plus the ease with which they can shoot & broadcast these images.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
It seem that the anti-government forces now have some control over parts of Tripoli... Not sure how much though... I guess its street-by-street fighting from here on in
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
This is a touching article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/25/benghazi-residents-evidence-disappeared-libyans
elbows
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Yes there have been some such reports today, nothing concrete though. There are also reports that many areas arent exactly being held either by pro or anti regime, but rather the regime forces go wherever they hear protests, drive them off the streets, and then depart.
lopsidedbunny
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An Old Dinosaur British's M.P. on ALJ t.v. suggested that we should do nothing just like when he was around during the Yugo' Civil War... well that approach work well did it not? Happy to have no fly zone but no troops on the ground. This is so backward thinking... 
What a twat...
What a twat...
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
There shouldn't be either a no fly zone or foreign troops sent in - the Libyan people can handle that themselves
An Old Dinosaur British's M.P. on ALJ t.v. suggested that we should do nothing just like when he was around during the Yugo' Civil War... well that approach work well did it not? Happy to have no fly zone but no troops on the ground. This is so backward thinking...
Yes that was David Owen. Realistically we don't have any spare troops to put on the ground. We would not be able get the the UN Security Council to support an international military intervention. Of course one of the big fears is that Gadaffi might fire the refineries in line with his latest rhetoric about Libya 'burning'.
lopsidedbunny
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Unless I heard wrong I heard that they (Pro G) might fly helicopters towards the east of the country and retake those areas.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How?
And no, No UN troops in North Africa ffs.
And no, No UN troops in North Africa ffs.
lopsidedbunny
Active Member
I wasn't thinking of troops n the ground rather "military" advisers telling them on the ground what to do and bring in the supply and arm catchments (Somebody shouting for them?) and pronto. Like what happen in Croatia them years ago. Rather than wait around for years of tooing and froing loads of people die waiting for something to happen. I'm thinking a long the lines outside official government sanctions. If Government are worried about oil field then secure them as well. It isn't rocket science.
Any truth in the story of Libyan Secret forces joining the side of the protesters?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Just to repeat that . NO WESTERN TROOPS IN LIBYA. This is the Libyan peoples revolution. They don't need the "help of the butchers of Iraq. Grenada, Afghanistan, Panama,Somalia, (add disastrous imperial adventure here) It is a revolution for self determination and will be completed by the people of Libya. FFS, Gadaffi is finished and finished at the hands of the Libyan people.
How many people crying for western intervention opposed the Iraq war? You can't have it both ways. We can't condemn Western intervention in Iraq and then start yelling for Western intervention in Libya after a revolution which is less than a fortnight old. Do you not get it? The moment western troops are involved in North Africa they will never leave until the revolutionary movement across the continent is under their control. Do you want another Iraq? The Libyan revolution is the ultimate democratic act of the Libyan people, let them finish the job. Have some faith in the Libyan people for fucks sakes
Defending the oilfields against armed forces equipped with aircraft is rocket science, ground-to-air rocket science in particular. There is nothing to be gained from a military intervention by the rest of the world. Let the revolution play out. If we then want to buy their oil then do so. They will be happy to sell it, it is their main economic resource.
As for the Libyan secret services, I am not in their confidence, you will need another source.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
From Al jazeera live blog
It seems that neither side is ready yet to initiate effective armed offensives but nature dictates that sooner or later someone is going to have to make a move to finish the dual power situation. Whatsmore the situation is urgent as food is running out.
In Bengazi, protestors are reported to be determined to march on Tripoli to finish the job. With journalists now there in numbers any such move would be quickly reported. On the other hand Gaddafi's command structure has been seriously damaged by defections. He is said to have up to 6000 merceneries. I would guess that he wouldn't be too keen on sending too many of his troops out of the city on operations through fear of not having enough to hold the fort.
What's missing here is a clear leadership initiative on the part of the protestors.
My money is on Bengazi forming columns to march on tripoli.
It seems that neither side is ready yet to initiate effective armed offensives but nature dictates that sooner or later someone is going to have to make a move to finish the dual power situation. Whatsmore the situation is urgent as food is running out.
In Bengazi, protestors are reported to be determined to march on Tripoli to finish the job. With journalists now there in numbers any such move would be quickly reported. On the other hand Gaddafi's command structure has been seriously damaged by defections. He is said to have up to 6000 merceneries. I would guess that he wouldn't be too keen on sending too many of his troops out of the city on operations through fear of not having enough to hold the fort.
What's missing here is a clear leadership initiative on the part of the protestors.
My money is on Bengazi forming columns to march on tripoli.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
There have been meetings of 'tribal leaders' supporting the protests. Benghazi, I've read, does not have a power vacuum, there are people there taking charge of services. Just because we're not privy to it doesn't mean nothing is going on.
Benghazi is IIRC 600 miles from Tripoli. That's a bit of a march.
Benghazi is IIRC 600 miles from Tripoli. That's a bit of a march.
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
The Court house in Bengazi has become a sort of centre of coordination. The boy scouts are doing the cooking and they have people coordinating radio and television broadcasts. The general sent by gaddafi to stifle Bengazi has spoken in an interview after defecting, urging the protestors to converge on tripoli and get the job done. however, he hasn't offered to lead such an attempt. Bengazi is 600 miles away but that's where they are best organized.
classicdish
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Although they do seem to have stopped posting the "If you live in the US please ask your cable or satellite provider to start offering Al Jazeera English" every couple of hours on their Live Blog page.
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