Idıot obvıously has no conceptıon of what a 'no-fly zone' actually ıs.
Libya - civil unrest & now NATO involvement
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Idıot obvıously has no conceptıon of what a 'no-fly zone' actually ıs.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Yes the West is terrified that Gaddafi might strike another blow against Zionism by deporting and persecuting more Palestinians
"popular uprising" lol
Yes the West is terrified that Gaddafi might strike another blow against Zionism by deporting and persecuting more Palestinians
And the Royal Jordanian Air Force, who slaughtered Palestinians in Black September, are supporting your 'popular' rebels.
I honestly don't see how anyone could descrıbe them otherwıse.
Especially as their leaders were all CIA-trained...and their grunts SAS-trained, and USA via Egypt military junta supplied.
Contras.
It really ıs the most pathetıcally transparent attempt to stage-manage a 'popular revolt' I have ever wıtnessed. They must thınk we're mugs.
They certainly mugged off the liberal 'left' in this country...twitter twits.
I would like my thread title changed, I don't want to be associated with the one that was imposed by the pro-Western moderators.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
And your point is what? That this somehow justifies Gaddafi's abuse of Palestinians? The Jordanian regime will itself topple soon enough. Interesting you don't attempt to refute my charge that Gaddafi deported thousands of ordinary Palestinians and stranded them in the middle of the desert.
The real threat to Israel doesn't come from the fake rhetoric of despots like Gaddafi. The real threat to Israel comes from the increasing regional demand for representative governance. This is what really terrifies the Israelis. Not Islamism, not reactionary fake "revolutionary" dictatorial regimes. The democratic aspirations of the Arab populations themselves.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
This I agree with. Events are clearly being stage managed now. That doesn't change the historical record however which is that this rebellion began as a popular uprising in Benghazi. Attempts to dismiss an uprising of thousands to the level of "manipulated puppets" is pretty contemptuous of the aspirations of ordinary people living under dictatorship imo.
newbie
undisambiguated
I doubt that the Lıbyan rebellıon was genuıne even ın ıts early stages.
I agree wıth you that the Egyptıan one was, at least orıgınally. But look at ıt now. I read recently about the employees of the state ınsurance company, whıch ıs beıng prıvıtızed agaınst theır wıshes. They were fındıng ıt hard to understand why the prıvıtızatıon ıs goıng ahead, even after the 'revolutıon.' They are dıscoverıng, ın other words, that nothıng ımportant has really changed. Whıch has to make one wonder: at what stage dd ıt become co-opted...
dylans
overlord of all acorns
the Egyptian revolution has never been "co-opted". To claim otherwise is not only to show a shallow understanding of Egyptian politics but also a lack of understanding of the process of history. What has happened is that the revolution has not (yet) moved to challenge the power and control of the Egyptian military. We are witnessing an attempt by the military to adopt the language and symbolism of the Jan 26 revolution in order to safeguard its interests. But the process is by no means over. It has simply moved to the next stage. Ultimately the fate of the Egyptian revolution, like the situation in Libya will be decided by the continuing unfolding events across the region. To ignore the impact of events in Egypt on sparking the events in Libya (and Syria and every other country in the region) is to fatally misunderstand what is occurring across the region. Western intervention in Libya is a distraction from the really world changing events taking place across the region. The political awakening of the Arab masses.
And ıt never wıll. Nor wıll ıt challenge the ınterests of ınternatıonal or domestıc capıtal. Whıch makes one wonder what sort of revolutıon ıt actually was.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
There we have it. Defeatism in action. The dismissal of the independant mass action of millions as at best useless "it never will" and and worst manipulated. Such claims show an utter contempt for the revolutionary potential of millions of Arabs.
Well, I hope they prove me wrong.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
They have overthrown two Western supported dictatorships in less than 6 months. I think they are doing ok.
You and ernie are giving them plenty of reason to.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
Nobody in this day and age is capable of airing their anger without Washington's planning. Even you?
Nobody in this day and age is capable of airing their anger without Washington's planning. Even you?
Sober up and try that post again.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
He dead.
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
Yep. The Delusional One is dead.
Riklet
procrastinación
Nah, wrong Saif, that would be al-Islam. edit: in the picture that was posted, that is. So far it's just the Sword of the Arabs ho hum.... plus his children, which is pretty fucking depressing really.
This thread seems to have slowed down recently. From following LibyaFeb17 it seems like "maybe" the rebels have turned the tide a bit in Misrata, as whilst it's still being bombed heavily they've pushed Gaddafi's forces back somewhat, and are fighting them at the airport - they seem to be the ones lauching the offensives the past few days. Reports of lots of Gaddafi's men killed today in attacks.
Gaddafi seems to have been trying to lay sea mines near Misrata too, to disrupt shipping links with Benghazi. Bad news for future Med cruise liners dropping by North Africa if there's still some floating about....
This thread seems to have slowed down recently. From following LibyaFeb17 it seems like "maybe" the rebels have turned the tide a bit in Misrata, as whilst it's still being bombed heavily they've pushed Gaddafi's forces back somewhat, and are fighting them at the airport - they seem to be the ones lauching the offensives the past few days. Reports of lots of Gaddafi's men killed today in attacks.
Gaddafi seems to have been trying to lay sea mines near Misrata too, to disrupt shipping links with Benghazi. Bad news for future Med cruise liners dropping by North Africa if there's still some floating about....
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Boo
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
Nah. The Deluded One is now dead, and we dance on his proverbial grave.
Most reports are clear that it's his youngest and not the 'progressive,ha' one rolled out for the media. I don't think killing his grand children (if true) is going to help matters, some tweeters are expecting condemnation from China and Russia tomorrow, i'm not sure but it doesn't play well.
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