LGBT in schools vs religious parents

[Wilf]

I hate it when a thread gets back on track.

 

[InArduisFouette]

In an attempt to get back OT
A disgusting leaflet that was being given out at an event last year with lots of parents and children. Children even handing these out. The group had a load of people and merchandise even

TW - sick leaflet of lies
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the CSE perpetrators of the organised churches and right wing political parties need to keep young people ignorant of consent and boundaries , this is why LGBTQ+ people and alternative lifestyle people scare the religious / right wing so much, because of the emphasis on consent and on dismantling patriachial structures which enable CSE and misogynistic Sexual violence

 

[InArduisFouette]

Another one they were handing out

Spoiler: Shit leaflet

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once again the far right show themselves to wank-addled pornsick fantasists.


there are a tiny handful of cases where abusive and/or cocercive and controlling parents have been restricted from stopping their highly distressed children accessing evidence based care

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I don’t agree that pushing children towards life changing medical procedures is ‘evidenced based care’.

 

[smokedout]

I don’t agree that pushing children towards life changing medical procedures is ‘evidenced based care’.

No-one is pushing anyone you clown. Why do you feel the need to do this shit on these threads?

 

[Ax^]

I don’t agree that pushing children towards life changing medical procedures is ‘evidenced based care’.

aye they trick the kids into them with their agenda

 

[InArduisFouette]

I don’t agree that pushing children towards life changing medical procedures is ‘evidenced based care’.

quite clear you don't understand what evidence based care is
quite clear you don't understand how hard it actually is for adults, noever mind children and young people to access this care

 

[InArduisFouette]

No-one is pushing anyone you clown. Why do you feel the need to do this shit on these threads?

because it appears Magnus is a genitals of children obsessed fantasist , and affliction which seems to be found in many transphobes

 

[Serge Forward]

I don’t agree that pushing children towards life changing medical procedures is ‘evidenced based care’.

Oh for fuck sake. Don't start that again.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

because it appears Magnus is a genitals of children obsessed fantasist , and affliction which seems to be founf in many transphobes

Can you stop doing this please. You're the one coming across with the obsession.

 

[ddraig]

because it appears Magnus is a genitals of children obsessed fantasist , and affliction which seems to be founf in many transphobes

You are giving the trolls, usual suspects and "GC" gallery a reason to discount your points and paint you as a loon with these posts you know

 

[Sweet FA]

I don’t agree that pushing children towards life changing medical procedures is ‘evidenced based care’.

You're a fucking idiot.

 

[InArduisFouette]

You are giving the trolls, usual suspects and "GC" gallery a reason to discount your points and paint you as a loon with these posts you know

it is a factual statment that the so called 'gender critical' movement are obsessed with the genitals and orgasmic capacity of minors...

 

[InArduisFouette]

Can you stop doing this please. You're the one coming across with the obsession.

so it's obsessive to call out genocidal bigots is it ?

becasue the rise of transphobia is ticking many of the boxes of the internationally agreed defintions of genocide

 

[Spymaster]

it is a factual statment that the so called 'gender critical' movement are obsessed with the genitals and orgasmic capacity of minors...

There’s only one person here obsessed with kid’s cocks, their orgasms, and wanking; you disgusting pig.

 

[comrade spurski]

This thread is kinda

 

[Humberto]

There’s only one person here obsessed with kid’s cocks, their orgasms, and wanking; you disgusting pig.

The old binfire post there. He's a bully. This place this forum has gone dark. Ain't never coming back.

 

[Humberto]

I only told you out of boredom restlessness. But yeah the list. All of you down to 9th circle.

 

[Humberto]

Put the nail in Billriver anyway since your all going down and it's up to me

 

[Humberto]

There’s only one person here obsessed with kid’s cocks, their orgasms, and wanking; you disgusting pig.

 

[spring-peeper]

so it's obsessive to call out genocidal bigots is it ?

becasue the rise of transphobia is ticking many of the boxes of the internationally agreed defintions of genocide

Wow!!! I'm confused...

Is this your internationally agreed definition of genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

So, who is killing who????

Totally odd!!!

 

[Puddy_Tat]

So, who is killing who????

the uk has not quite reached the stage of the US (yet) but the US has mainstream politicians who have (for a couple of examples)

called for the 'erasing of the LGBT+ community' (here)

said they would prefer their child to die by suicide than transition (here)

i think 'genocide' is possibly stretching a bit, but...

 

[spring-peeper]

the uk has not quite reached the stage of the US (yet) but the US has mainstream politicians who have (for a couple of examples)

called for the 'erasing of the LGBT+ community' (here)

said they would prefer their child to die by suicide than transition (here)

i think 'genocide' is possibly stretching a bit, but...

Alberta just passed legistation that bans prescribing puberty blockers for anyone under 18. Changing name and pronouns is only for children whose parents agree. People warned her that would probably result in suicides, but she says that children don't know what is good for them. I'm from Ontario, but my adult children totally agree with the Alberta position.

So, I guess that could be considered genocide of trans youth, but that would be stretching the definition to the max.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Alberta just passed legistation that bans prescribing puberty blockers for anyone under 18. Changing name and pronouns is only for children whose parents agree. People warned her that would probably result in suicides, but she says that children don't know what is good for them. I'm from Ontario, but my adult children totally agree with the Alberta position.

So, I guess that could be considered genocide of trans youth, but that would be stretching the definition to the max.

thanks for confirming you do not understand the definition of genocide that the UN use

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

www.un.org

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide​

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

​

 

[InArduisFouette]

the uk has not quite reached the stage of the US (yet) but the US has mainstream politicians who have (for a couple of examples)

called for the 'erasing of the LGBT+ community' (here)

said they would prefer their child to die by suicide than transition (here)

i think 'genocide' is possibly stretching a bit, but...

i refer you to the UN defintion given above

 

[lazythursday]

Things are bad for trans people - and pretty scary for the rest of us in the LGBT-etc grouping given the increasing ramping up of right wing rhetoric including in this country. I will never forgive the role that gender critical people have played in that, the fuel they have put on the fire that threatens all of our rights.

But in the week where I have seen the most appalling pictures of shredded children on social media in Gaza, to refer to it as a genocide is frankly disgusting and diminishes the value of the word.

 

[smokedout]

Things are bad for trans people - and pretty scary for the rest of us in the LGBT-etc grouping given the increasing ramping up of right wing rhetoric including in this country. I will never forgive the role that gender critical people have played in that, the fuel they have put on the fire that threatens all of our rights.

But in the week where I have seen the most appalling pictures of shredded children on social media in Gaza, to refer to it as a genocide is frankly disgusting and diminishes the value of the word.

I see where you're coming from and have some sympathy with that view especially in the light of the events in Gaza. But if a right wing government decided to embark on eliminating say Islam from society, by banning Mosques and Islamic dress, permitting, encouraging and legalising discrimination against Muslims in the workplace or in provision of goods and services, banning discussions of Islam in school and public institutions, etc then that could fall under the definition of genocide even if much more violent genocides were being committed elsewhere. And more importantly that's how more violent genocides often start - the mass murder comes when people refuse to sit back and be eliminated.

Also genocide refers to ethnic, religious and national groups and it's probably important to keep that distinction. I'm not sure there is a word yet to describe the elimination of a group based on gender identity or sexuality. But there are certainly those on the US conservative right who are seeking to eliminate LGBTQ people from society, and there are absolutely gender criticals here in the UK who are seeking to eliminate 'transgenderism' from society - and even those who are too squeamish to admit that are frequently heading in a direction where that would be the end result of what they are campaigning for.

That may not be technically genocidal, but it's akin to genocide I think, and certainly in some parts of the US may lead to more violent tactics as the rhetoric escalates and the initial attempts at elimination fail.

 

[InArduisFouette]

Things are bad for trans people - and pretty scary for the rest of us in the LGBT-etc grouping given the increasing ramping up of right wing rhetoric including in this country. I will never forgive the role that gender critical people have played in that, the fuel they have put on the fire that threatens all of our rights.

But in the week where I have seen the most appalling pictures of shredded children on social media in Gaza, to refer to it as a genocide is frankly disgusting and diminishes the value of the word.

so it's not possible to care about two ( or more) things ?

please read the UN definition given above

 

[InArduisFouette]

I see where you're coming from and have some sympathy with that view especially in the light of the events in Gaza. But if a right wing government decided to embark on eliminating say Islam from society, by banning Mosques and Islamic dress, permitting, encouraging and legalising discrimination against Muslims in the workplace or in provision of goods and services, banning discussions of Islam in school and public institutions, etc then that could fall under the definition of genocide even if much more violent genocides were being committed elsewhere. And more importantly that's how more violent genocides often start - the mass murder comes when people refuse to sit back and be eliminated.

Also genocide refers to ethnic, religious and national groups and it's probably important to keep that distinction. I'm not sure there is a word yet to describe the elimination of a group based on gender identity or sexuality. But there are certainly those on the US conservative right who are seeking to eliminate LGBTQ people from society, and there are absolutely gender criticals here in the UK who are seeking to eliminate 'transgenderism' from society - and even those who are too squeamish to admit that are frequently heading in a direction where that would be the end result of what they are campaigning for.

That may not be technically genocidal, but it's akin to genocide I think, and certainly in some parts of the US may lead to more violent tactics as the rhetoric escalates and the initial attempts at elimination fail.

this plays in the the whole ' being islamophobic isn't racist becasue muslims are not a race ' kind of rhetoric used by the far right to justify or excuse their actions ( when it tips over to attacks on anyone deemed to 'look like a muslim' regardless of their actual faith ( or absence of)

exactly how many bodies will take before people acknowledge what is happening ?

again people love to focus "it's not genocide because they aren;t rounding uyou up and killing you ... " the rounding people up and putting them in camps to be killed is pretty much the last stage not the first ... the first couple of stages are exactly what we are seeing now and what the cisgender LGB community saw in the 1980s with HIV/AIDS

 

[Raheem]

please read the UN definition given above

a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.