When a friend got married, his primary school age neice and nephew were really disappointed. They'd seen a programme on TV where a gay couple had a Star Wars themed wedding and they extrapolated from that and thought that's what all gay weddings were like...
I worked a couple of gay wedding celebrations when civil partnerships first started - the disappointing thing was they did ape the pedestrian, cliched, colour-co-ordinating traditions of a straight wedding, which I thought was a missed opportunity. We want to be equal to you, but not necessarily LIKE you.
Not sure you've really got to grips with foucault. Do tell me how discipline and punish is part of lgbt ideology
did you see where you said foucault's works were part of lgbt ideology? and now it turns out you're but an ignorant windbag. can't say it's a surprise.
Absolutely Wookey. Don't get me wrong I'm not advocating against that, I was responding to the idea that you could stop someone from exercising their right as a parent to opt out on aspects of education based upon your beliefs. You're kinda missing my point to be honest mate.
I don't believe in god and it's my right to have my children opt out of RE, not that I have, I've had to deal with them being delivered RE from a 'believers' perspective throughput their education because in all accounts they've been taught by Christian teachers and I've had to work quite hard with my kids and most of those teachers to get them to understand and respect my right to have my children brought up without such babble in their lives. The point I suppose I'm making is that it's quite hard to work with 'believers' of what children should be taught and your right to opt out sometimes is your only choice.
If you remove that right for one aspect of choice you in turn could end up with a situation where the state has total control over what children are taught regardless of what a human being things is the right way to bring their children up in this world and that's actually quite a dangerous place to be as a parent.
We're more likely arguing the same point my friend. I'm just turning it on it's head to prove that you can't ban parents from bringing their children up how they see fit unless it's decreed harmful to the child vr's a certain section of society.
Thankfully my kids have both grown up weary of religion but pretty wholistic, informed, free of choice and understanding to the concept of sexuality.
ETA you don't pay to raise children through your taxes, you do it in far more crippling ways than that.
, but it makes me wonder: some parents have a solemnly-held cultural or religious belief that it is in their daughters' interests to have their genitals mutilated. The state disagrees. There are lines that we draw, and equality legislation covering state classrooms does clearly draw those lines.
Religion and religious belief is also a protected characteristic, so in your attacks on "these Jews" (rather than simply homophobes) you are going against the very legislation you quote in your attacks.
on the other paw, like the right to join the armed services, i support the right of same-sex couples to be boring and suburban if that's what they want
He's only got a couple of short planks left to measure himself against
If these homophobic parents want to teach their own kids at home, fair enough. Or if they want they can move abroad, where they have lower standards in state education. I hear Saudi Arabia is nice this time of year!
I really don't think you can call gay-ness an ideology. It would definitely exist with or without Peter Tatchell. In fact I would go as far as to say that it's more of a fact of life than an ideology, and we really have a duty to teach the facts of life to children.
I'm quoting your whole post friedaweed because it's all interesting and important
If these homophobic parents want to teach their own kids at home, fair enough. Or if they want they can move abroad, where they have lower standards in state education. I hear Saudi Arabia is nice this time of year!
But in a shared state system, everyone has the right to equal access, no? Imagine if I didn't want my kids to know about Ultra-Orthodox Jews, and I campaigned to never have them mentioned in class. How far would I get?
I don't disagree with the sentiment but the act of banning is problematic which is my point.
You're strange.
Why the constant need to mention Jews, when 'people' would suffice? Because it's people who don't want their children to learn certain things, not just Jews but lots of parents, and if parents don't want their children to be taught certain things, that's surely their choice, no?
I'm a bit baffled. It's always existed. Naming the civilisations it which it existed is pointless. Where there are humans there are gay humans. There is also a gay culture. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 'Not uncommon in Islamic countries'? Well, no, I imagine the same proportion of people are gay there, too...
OK, let's talk about bigoted. Do you not acknowledge the rights of these people who wish for their children to be 'protected' (your words) from something? Are their rights not as equal as yours?
OK
as long as we can also ban any reference to 'normal' relationships, fairy* stories involving princes and princesses and anything about getting married (to a person of the opposite sex) and living happily ever after, and any expectations of 'traditional' gender roles until kids are old enough to deal with them
* - obviously not stories involving any fairies that is.
