Letzgo hunting paedos

[farmerbarleymow]

Paedophile hunter run over in sting that turned 'malicious' (June 23, 2013)

"Hunter ... suffered two broken ankles and head injuries during the incident"

Can't say I have much sympathy.

 

[butchersapron]

Can't say I have much sympathy.

The town's most prominent video vigilante Stinson Hunter is now recovering following a seven-day stay in hospital after he was knocked down by one man he had arranged to meet while posing as an underage girl.

Suggests there are middle level cadre in the organsiation who can take up the slack.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fine, and as long as they have concrete proof no problem, if you suspect a paedo the OB will deal with them...

If only.

As it is, while the OB will listen to victim testimony, effectively they need a case with a significant chance of a prosecution at the end of it, to actually "deal with" a paedophile. Otherwise this stuff just gets logged, and nowt gets done.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Vigilantes mostly get the wrong person and the OB always get the right one and the courts deal with it in the right way

Sarcasm becomes you, my friend.

 

[ViolentPanda]

tremble nonces, before Stinson Hunter

Take away the first syllable of his first name, and he's "son hunter". Maybe he's trying to tell us something?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Abusers are well practiced liars...

A great generalisation, but the reality is that it's serial abusers who tend to be practiced in deception, as opposed to "abusers" per se.

...victims can struggle to give evidence, have their credibility questioned and it's often one word versus another.

Better, more sensitive procedures have been introduced into courts, in terms of assisting vulnerable witnesses to testify. Unfortunately, much of the procedure isn't yet statutory, but rather is in the judge's gift.

This creates a sense that "not enough is being done".

I disagree. What creates a sense that "not enough is being done" is almost always a media outlet, rather than court procedure. Most of the scares thrown up by the media don't even reference court procedure, they just make an assumption that if a sex offender gets off, then "not enough is being done", entirely regardless of whether the law or justice is being served.

The ongoing seeming cover-up of establishment child abuse won't help. For example, MI5 were in on the Cyril Smith case and few have battered an eyelid.

TBF, even those only mildly-informed about the parapolitical goings on of the British state won't bat an eyelid, because you'd expect the security services to have weighed up someone like Smith, to see whether he had any utility to them, and whether his perversion could be put to use (by the state or another state).

Compare that to the Saville case. But JS was a CELEB and it was a chance to attack the BBC as well. It makes you wonder if the victims aren't being used again, as pawns to shift copy or play politics.

Of course victims are used as pawns in political machinations, just as they're used as pawns by media outlets.

I've always distrusted the sensationalism around the issue. There's not a small amount of sexualisation of children going on in the same media that gets so worked up about it. Sex is sold to kids all the time in fact.

What's sold to children is what I'd call "adultification" - children are led to believe through (mostly tacit, but sometimes overt) media representations that it's necessary to achieve a facsimile of adulthood - in dress, in manner, in actions - and sexualisation is tied up with that.

Here's a really tough thing about the crime overall, and at the heart (I think) of much mental discomfort:
It's one crime above all others where we automatically believe the victim. Professionals pretty much have to. Yet, "innocent till prove guilty" and all that.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. It's not "one crime above all others where we automatically believe the victim". In fact it's pretty well-proven that it's a crime where disbelief of the victim is the primary reaction, and where the perception of victims that they'll be disbelieved is strong.

So we understandably try and believe something happened at the same time as not believing it: Cognitive dissonance. Not to be too crude I hope, but I sometimes call it "Schrodingers Paedo"

As far as I am concerned, reducing abuse might not be as high up the priorities as it should be, compared to just saying how disgusting it all is, which it obviously is. Abusers who want to stop must be paranoid as fuck about who to talk to, so many professionals have a duty to pass on info.

Inaccurate. Some professionals have a legal duty to pass on information, but more have no legal duty, just a moral obligation and (sometimes) a workplace regulation that requires that they pass on concerns.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There are clubs in Swansea that specialise in this sort of thing.

I always wondered why friends from the Valleys referred to Swansea and Cardiff as Sodom and Gomorrah. Now I know!!!

 

[Frances Lengel]

<snip>For example, MI5 were in on the Cyril Smith case and few have battered an eyelid.<snip>

A battered eyelid.

 

[keybored]

A battered eyelid.

The next big thing in Glaswegian take-aways.

 

[Part 2]

This from the Daemon Hunter.org website:

"Daemon Hunter is a network of undercover operatives, IT and Social Networking professionals volunteering their own time to identity, collate evidence and confront paedophiles and sexual predators operating on Social Networks and Dating Websites. It is headed by the UK renowned Daemon Hunters, ex UK Special Forces personnel (SAS) and a seasoned professional in web publicity and internet exposure, and search engine placement."

SAS!!

 

[butchersapron]

They're just trying to monetise their oddness.

 

[butchersapron]

Anyone up for a letzgohuntinghunterz and search engine placement project?

 

[Athos]

Anyone up for a letzgohuntinghunterz and search engine placement project?

Surely there's better targets?

 

[butchersapron]

Surely there's better targets?

Name them.

 

[Athos]

Name them.

It was a question to you. Don't you think there's better targets for your ire than people who try to 'out' child molesters?

 

[butchersapron]

It was a question to you. Don't you think there's better targets for your ire than people who try to 'out' child molesters?

Name them point misser.

 

[Athos]

Name them point misser.

Your points are too easy to miss, oh cryptic one.

Why not spell out what you're trying to say?

 

[butchersapron]

You asked me a question and i give you an answer. Now you are doing this. Did i come to you and prod you in the chest demanding an answer. No. You're doing it to me and i responded. Respond back. Name names. Who are the better targets?

 

[pogo 10]

I'd never heard of this stuff, seems well established - anyone come across this stuff before?

Vigilante paedophile hunters

Why would you even talk to a 17 year old when youre 32. And she told him she was eleven.

 

[Athos]

You asked me a question and i give you an answer. Now you are doing this. Did i come to you and prod you in the chest demanding an answer. No. You're doing it to me and i responded. Respond back. Name names. Who are the better targets?

Sorry, I must be missing something; I can't see where you answered my question about there being better targets.

But let's not get into this shit. Why don't you just make your point?

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry, I must be missing something; I can't see where you answered my question about there being better targets.

But let's not get into this shit. Why don't you just make your point?

What the fuck is wrong with you? Read back your posts and mine. Show me the easier targets. And you missed the whole point about pathetic hunterz hunting hunterz. Jesus fucking christz.

 

[Athos]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Read back your posts and mine. Show me the easier targets. And you missed the whole point about pathetic hunterz hunting hunterz. Jesus fucking christz.

My point was about better targets, not easier ones.

What is the point I missed?

 

[butchersapron]

My point was about better targets, not easier ones.

What is the point I missed?

Name them.

Oh jeus the christ.

 

[Athos]

Name them.

Oh jeus the christ.

I'll do you a deal; I'll name them after you make your point clearly/explain your point I have missed?

 

[butchersapron]

My point was to laugh at the idea of private justice hunter with commercial placements. That's literally what i did by posting what i did. Now please, unravel your roll of tax avoidance shame or whatever you think hunterz should be up to you.

 

[Athos]

My point was to laugh at the idea of private justice hunter with commercial placements. That's literally what i did by posting what i did. Now please, unravel your roll of tax avoidance shame or whatever you think hunterz should be up to you.

Oh, I see. Bit of an anti-climax, though. I don't know why getting you to make your point clearly - especially such an anodyne one - should be so like pulling teeth.

Yeah, tax evaders are a better target for ire than those who expose paedophiles. As are paedophiles.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh, I see. Bit of an anti-climax, though. I don't know why getting you to make your point clearly - especially such an anodyne one - should be so like pulling teeth.

Yeah, tax evaders are a better target for ire than those who expose paedophiles. As are paedophiles.

I did make the point clearly. You needed me to take you round the houses. Your fault.

And your promise to name names? Name them here, now.

 

[Athos]

I did make the point clearly. You needed me to take you round the houses. Your fault.

And your promise to name names? Name them here, now.

You remind of the joke about the Essex girl complaining that everyone else is driving on the wrong side of the road. The fact that people find you cryptic always s their fault, never yours.

For names, check the website.

 

[butchersapron]

I'll do you a deal; I'll name them after you make your point clearly/explain your point I have missed?

Name them.

 

[butchersapron]

You remind of the joke about the Essex girl complaining that everyone else is driving on the wrong side of the road. The fact that people find you cryptic always s their fault, never yours.

For names, check the website.

Great. Lovely little joke. Anarchist.