Laurence Fox. The twat.

[ItWillNeverWork]

Do people really support mandatory vaccination? Because I would resist that just out of principle. I don’t care if it’s this guy saying it, he is right on this point.

 

[petee]

He was Hathaway in the Morse spin off, Lewis.

which is the only way i know of him.
he seems a twatting twat otherwise.

 

[LeytonCatLady]

Laurence Fox is about as hard as a diahorrea ridden dog turd.

Fox plays the victim so well he should carry his own body chalk.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Do people really support mandatory vaccination? Because I would resist that just out of principle. I don’t care if it’s this guy saying it, he is right on this point.

I would hope it wouldn't be necessary. Far better to gain consent, and if a very small number of people refuse, we can live with that. But we don't have an absolute right to refuse to do things that will protect other people. So no, I don't think he's right on this point as a matter of principle.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I would hope it wouldn't be necessary. Far better to gain consent, and if a very small number of people refuse, we can live with that. But we don't have an absolute right to refuse to do things that will protect other people. So no, I don't think he's right on this point as a matter of principle.

But surely the only people that would be at risk are those choosing to not take the vaccine?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But surely the only people that would be at risk are those choosing to not take the vaccine?

No. To achieve herd immunity, you need 70+ percent uptake. Some people can't take vaccines for medical reasons. For others, the vaccine might not work. So to get to that 70+ percent, you might need 90 percent uptake from those who can have it and on whom it will work.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

No. To achieve herd immunity, you need 70+ percent uptake. Some people can't take vaccines for medical reasons. For others, the vaccine might not work. So to get to that 70+ percent, you might need 90 percent uptake from those who can have it and on whom it will work.

How do we know in advance if someone will have an adverse response? Is it not best to allow people to make that decision for themselves?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Unpopular opinion....apart from the fact i'd happily take a long run up and leap into a neck twisting slap of LF's face into next year.... I was listening to LBC earlier this evening and heard the briefing when Failcock wouldn't rule out compulsory vaccination and I thought to myself 'Like fuck you will'...then ran through a few far fetched scenarios in my head of me evading forced vaccination... I concluded that I wouldn't be able to keep my job, might have to go on the run and would have to think more about it should it happen...

 

[two sheds]

Herd immunity is a good first aim, but shouldn't we really be looking long term at eradication? For diseases like smallpox and polio certainly, but also for coronavirus? New Zealand for example is trying for zero new cases.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Herd immunity is a good first aim, but shouldn't we really be looking long term at eradication? For diseases like smallpox and polio certainly, but also for coronavirus? New Zealand for example is trying for zero new cases.

Herd immunity is the way to achieve eradication. Too few new hosts for the virus to spread so it eventually is eradicated. Smallpox and polio were eradicated through vaccination.

 

[MrSki]

He is just trying to say anything that might give him a bit more publicity. He is a twat and will fade away.

 

[two sheds]

No I'm not

 

[littlebabyjesus]

How do we know in advance if someone will have an adverse response? Is it not best to allow people to make that decision for themselves?

for some people, you can know, yes. As I said, some people have particular conditions that mean they can't have vaccinations.

As for the extremely occasional adverse reaction out of the blue for people who have no history of problems with vaccination, that's where building confidence and consent in the process comes in. Twats like this idiot actor will be so far back in the queue that millions of people will have had it before him. There will be a solid base of evidence as to any possible risks.

But you're being a selfish cunt if you refuse the vaccine for no good reason. There's no getting around that.

 

[Treacle Toes]

But you're being a selfish cunt if you refuse the vaccine for no good reason. There's no getting around that.

You first.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You first.

I'll be a long way back in the queue. But if I was at the front of the queue, if I worked in a hospital for instance, absolutely I would take it first. I would see it as my duty to take it.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

for some people, you can know, yes. As I said, some people have particular conditions that mean they can't have vaccinations.

As for the extremely occasional adverse reaction out of the blue for people who have no history of problems with vaccination, that's where building confidence and consent in the process comes in. Twats like this idiot actor will be so far back in the queue that millions of people will have had it before him. There will be a solid base of evidence as to any possible risks.

But you're being a selfish cunt if you refuse the vaccine for no good reason. There's no getting around that.

Sorry but I won’t be bullied into putting something into my body I’m nervous of, either by you or anyone else. Attempts to shame me by saying I’m a ‘selfish cunt’ as you so nicely put it, won’t work.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Sorry but I won’t be bullied into putting something into my body I’m nervous of, either by you or anyone else. Attempts to shame me by saying I’m a ‘selfish cunt’ as you so nicely put it, won’t work.

There's no polite way to put this. You clearly don't understand the issues wrt herd immunity. You didn't realise that it's not just a question your safety. I suggest you go and read up on it and learn how it works.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

There's no polite way to put this. You clearly don't understand the issues wrt herd immunity. You didn't realise that it's not just a question your safety. I suggest you go and read up on it and learn how it works.

Neither will I be shamed by your smug and superior attitude.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Neither will I be shamed by your smug and superior attitude.

Just go and fucking learn about it. Fuck's sake.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Just go and fucking learn about it. Fuck's sake.

Then I’ll wait to see the long term effects are. Something that no amount of reading at this stage will tell me because the long-term studies haven’t been done.

I’ve seen too much medical malpractice in my life to trust a brand new vaccine that’s been rushed through - family members given blood infected with Hep C, another wrongly told they had breast cancer by a dodgy doctor who then got struck off, myself almost dying after been given an anti malarial drug that conflicted with tablets I take for epilepsy.

I know my body, and I trust others to know theirs. I don’t care if you think I’m selfish or thick or below you. It’s my body, and that’s that.

 

[Serge Forward]

The whole point of mass vaccination is it creates herd immunity and protects those who are not able to have the vaccine. Anyone who whines about their "freedom" not to be vaccinated is an individualist shite who puts their own selfish crap before the wellbeing of the most vulnerable people in society. Bullied? With that attitude, you should be fucking shunned and kicked out of public places.

I accept your point that we need to be sure it's safe and effective first, mind.

 

[xenon]

Herd immunity is a good first aim, but shouldn't we really be looking long term at eradication? For diseases like smallpox and polio certainly, but also for coronavirus? New Zealand for example is trying for zero new cases.

That's never gonna happen if vaccination doesn't play a part. What they gonna do, test every single passenger upon arrival, forever. Even if it could work in New Zealand, it's not practicle for say, Europe.

 

[two sheds]

No, indeed, vaccination has to be central.

 

[Shechemite]

There won’t be ‘forced’ vaccination. No one is going to hold iou on the floor and inject vaccine against your will.

 

[xenon]

The whole point of mass vaccination is it creates herd immunity and protects those who are not able to have the vaccine. Anyone who whines about their "freedom" not to be vaccinated is an individualist shite who puts their own selfish crap before the wellbeing of the most vulnerable people in society. Bullied? With that attitude, you should be fucking shunned and kicked out of public places.

I accept your point that we need to be sure it's safe and effective first, mind.

TBH I have sympathy for people like ItWillNeverWork's position, Mistrust born out of experience.

The foil hatter lot, not so much.

I highly doubt vaccination would become mandatory anyway, except for perhaps a few professions. Maybe front line medical staff.

 

[oryx]

There won’t be ‘forced’ vaccination. No one is going to hold iou on the floor and inject vaccine against your will.

^ This. It annoys me that the issue of 'forced vaccination' has become so great.

Anyone, feel free to correct me, but there is no history of forced vaccination in this country AFAIK and I'm not aware that a Covid vaccine is likely to be the first.

 

[8ball]

There won’t be ‘forced’ vaccination. No one is going to hold iou on the floor and inject vaccine against your will.

Unless you’re a child, obv.

 

[Treacle Toes]

^ This. It annoys me that the issue of 'forced vaccination' has become so great.

Anyone, feel free to correct me, but there is no history of forced vaccination in this country AFAIK and I'm not aware that a Covid vaccine is likely to be the first.

'Forced' is what I hear when they use 'compulsory'. I don't think I am alone in that.

Just thinking about all the vaccines I have knowingly had...
Rubella
BCG
No idea about childhood ones as I don't remember.
A few recommended ones for travelling to far away places during the 90's.
I never 'choose' to get a flu jab.


For the record...I haven't lost my mind and turned into an anti-vaxxer but my first instinct is not to want this or any other vaccine if I can help it.

I am just not the medication type and never had been. I am also a belligerent fucker and don't like being told what to do and certainly don't want to be strong armed into having anything that I'm not first convinced is tried/tested/safe obviously.

Calling me or anyone else 'a selfish cunt' is a ridiculous response IMO.

 

[Reno]

'Forced' is what I hear when they use 'compulsory'. I don't think I am alone in that.

Just thinking about all the vaccines I have knowingly had...
Rubella
BCG
No idea about childhood ones as I don't remember.
A few recommended ones for travelling to far away places during the 90's.
I never 'choose' to get a flu jab.


For the record...I haven't lost my mind and turned into an anti-vaxxer but my first instinct is not to want this or any other vaccine if I can help it.

I am just not the medication type and never had been. I am also a belligerent fucker and don't like being told what to do and certainly don't want to be strong armed into having anything that I'm not first convinced is tried/tested/safe obviously.

Calling me or anyone else 'a selfish cunt' is a ridiculous response IMO.

It appears, self-awaredness is not a strong point of anti-vaxxers.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It appears, self-awaredness is not a strong point of anti-vaxxers.

Get a fucking grip ...I'm not an anti-vaxxer!

The key point for me is tested/safe/necessary and not feeling like I am being forced if I don't have that confidence.

But you keep being an condescending prick though yeah?...suits you sir.