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8ball
Decolonise colons!
Renewable concrete.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
So he claims.
lazythursday
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There was a guy a few months ago who went on hunger strike with the very reasonable demand that MPs were given a proper scientific briefing on climate change. The government ignored it and he didn't get a lot of press. Caroline Lucas managed to broker a solution with Sir Patrick Vallance offering a briefing to MPs. Less than 10% turned up.
A guy in the US set himself on fire and burned to death to protest climate inaction. Hardly any coverage.
So the self sacrificing approach hasn't proved successful of late either.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Where jso are going wrong is by not focusing politician minds. If they were to assassinate an mp a week until their demands were met the government would have conceded by now but the public would demand jso held firm and acted
Do please remind me when the person that did this in the middle of the night had the balls to go to prison for their ‘cause’. Remember OneLambeth described this as an ‘art installation’
steveseagull
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LBC reporter banged up by Herts Police for seven hours under Priti Patel's/Braverman's new laws. Which is quite ironic...
BristolEcho
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Sort of admire their persistence.
platinumsage
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Bizarre response to this interviewer
"Why are you using these tactics?"
"We want everyone to come to join us so we don't need to cause disruption on the motorways, we need to be sat outside of parliament with tens and tens of thousands of people demanding an end to new oil and gas"
er... how are these tactics getting more people to put pressure on the government? Surely they are doing the opposite - helping to define an end to new oil and gas as an extremist position?
"Why are you using these tactics?"
"We want everyone to come to join us so we don't need to cause disruption on the motorways, we need to be sat outside of parliament with tens and tens of thousands of people demanding an end to new oil and gas"
er... how are these tactics getting more people to put pressure on the government? Surely they are doing the opposite - helping to define an end to new oil and gas as an extremist position?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
He didn't seem up to that, tbh.
platinumsage
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There’s a subset of trustafarians who had hippy parents, ime xr-type protesters either fall into that group or else older green party sandal types.
Rumblelow grew up on a Welsh farm and has enjoyed holidays in Nepal so I think it’s clear which group she falls into.
Not that this matters of course, it should be about the protests not the people. But when they can’t even explain their tactics then it does lead to questioning their motivations.
Rumblelow grew up on a Welsh farm and has enjoyed holidays in Nepal so I think it’s clear which group she falls into.
Not that this matters of course, it should be about the protests not the people. But when they can’t even explain their tactics then it does lead to questioning their motivations.
Tofu eating wokerati? Alright Suella!
platinumsage
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Great. Maybe you can explain how their tactic of blocking motorways is meant to get thousands of inconvenienced people lobbying the government to cave in to their demands? It's almost like they live in a bubble and don't know how most of society think and behave.
No one is out of tacking climate change by these protests - only climate change denying twats say that. This has made the headlines for weeks now.
Road transport is a huge cause of CO2 emissions - you and others said they should choose targets that make sense so you should be happy their targeting one of the major motorways. Stop arguing in bad faith and just admit that you don’t think anything should be done about the climate crisis.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
But blocking roads doesn't decrease emissions, if anything it likely increases them - at least in the short term. Not even JSO claim the point of the blockades is to reduce emissions from road transport, it's to cause disruption to pressure the government to withdraw new oil and gas exploration, the motorway is just a weak point where it's easier to cuse disruption with a few people.
platinumsage
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The tactics have. Haven’t seen anything about new fossil fuel licences, so I don’t see how they’re convincing anyone to protest the government about that.
Their demand is no new oil and gas licences. She made that clear in the interview. The protests will stop when the government confirms no new licences.
Mate - you think cars should be allowed to drive on pavements
I don’t think anything JSO would do would convince you of their argument.
Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
I've answered these questions a zillion times on other threads, and don't have time to go through it all again just now. I intend to use this thread mainly as a repository for information. The concise answer is that the aim is a reduction in car dependency. Of course you can't just ban cars and...
www.urban75.net
platinumsage
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Mate - you think cars should be allowed to drive on pavements
Entirely unashamed anti car propaganda, and the more the better.
I've answered these questions a zillion times on other threads, and don't have time to go through it all again just now. I intend to use this thread mainly as a repository for information. The concise answer is that the aim is a reduction in car dependency. Of course you can't just ban cars and...
So you can’t defend their tactics. And for the record, no I don’t. Your misrepresenting and cross-thread beef is getting quite tedious so you’re going on ignore.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
There are lots of things you haven't seen
platinumsage
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Have you seen the popular media talking about the licensing of new fossil fuel extraction since these protests started?What has been licensed recently or is likely to be soon?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
UK defies climate warnings with new oil and gas licences - BBC News
More than 100 licences are expected to be granted for new fossil fuel exploration in the North Sea.
www.bbc.co.uk
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I haven't myself looked in the popular press about them, nor do I have much faith in the popular press to report on every subject I'm interested in. But a moment's search turned up this little gem. NSTA launches 33rd Offshore Oil and Gas Licensing Round
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
You're talking about the topic; they've succeeded.
But their tactics have put him off so much that he’s now applying for off shore drilling licences himself!!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Couldn't we just put yer man on a platform in the North Sea, or rockall?
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
UK defies climate warnings with new oil and gas licences - BBC News
More than 100 licences are expected to be granted for new fossil fuel exploration in the North Sea.
So it was already covered by the media, a few more articles like that and people will surely be turning out in the tens of thousands outside parliament as that woman said in the interview. Or maybe it’ll take a few more road blocks to convince people.
Yes, I’ve posted about that quango on this thread, I don’t know why JSO haven’t targeted them, it’s a mystery.
Nope, their stated aim is to get people to put pressure on the government.
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