STOP THE WAR COALITION MEETING OXFORD. 19/04/2022
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Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Ex Class War; Andy Martin, although claiming to be 'ironic' appears to share your sentiments!
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
The Soviet Union introduced eugenic policies in 1920, it’s welfare provision punished those with ‘innate’ impairments (as such people couldn’t blame their disability on anyone else); failing to work due to disability/illness could get you sent to the gulag, and in the gulag, if you claimed your were ill or injured it was assumed you were faking it. That’s some great egalitarianism.
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Carl Steele
Well-Known Member
Can you give a reference? I'm not saying you are wrong, but I was not aware of this.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Sorry, somewhat tired and angry. I found this a good start "There Are No Invalids in the USSR!" A Missing Soviet Chapter in the New Disability History | Disability Studies Quarterly
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
What about a credible reference!?
Here's an arguably better article with better and credible references!
Disability and the Soviet Union: Advances and retreats | International Socialist Review
By the end of October 1917, the Bolshevik Party had won a clear majority of workers and peasants within the nationwide network of soviets (revolutionary councils) to their program of the overthrow of...
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Supine
Newt Member
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
I don’t think anyone can be arsed to report it (I haven’t)
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
For what it's worth, there's a bit of discussion about that video here:
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Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Fwiw, that Simon Pirani blog that LynnDoyleCooper linked to elsewhere included a link to this exchange, where the chair of Brent Stop the War tries and fails to convince national StW to adopt
“• Russian troops out of Ukraine!
• No to war!
• Refugees welcome here!”
as a set of slogans:
For the broadest possible anti-war movement!
For the broadest possible anti-war movement! Mike Phipps publishes an exchange of letters with the Stop the War Coalition Having attended the Stop the War Coalition demonstration on the war in Ukra…labourhub.org.uk
The STW response is so brain dead. It’s so cult-like. The main worry of the author seems not to be to defend a coherent position or build any popular support but rather to avoid being called ‘pro-imperialist’ by an even more irrelevant sect.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
George Galloway is no longer listed as a patron of StW, so that's something. Wonder if they quietly dropped him.
They've got this Day of Action for Peace in Ukraine coming up. Well I thought maybe they've been listening to criticism. Maybe yes but actually NATO.
The poster/flyer does actually say "Russian troops out!" before the obligatory Nato expansion bollocks. Thing is, why would they even have the "No to Nato Network" involved with this if they don't have a pro-Putin agenda? Finland's only joining because of the invasion into Ukraine, the idea wasn't particularly popular before this war.
They've got this Day of Action for Peace in Ukraine coming up. Well I thought maybe they've been listening to criticism. Maybe yes but actually NATO.
"We are calling for the withdrawal of Russian troops, an end to the military escalation by the NATO countries and for all efforts to be focused on finding a negotiated solution to this terrible war on [date]. Join us!"
The poster/flyer does actually say "Russian troops out!" before the obligatory Nato expansion bollocks. Thing is, why would they even have the "No to Nato Network" involved with this if they don't have a pro-Putin agenda? Finland's only joining because of the invasion into Ukraine, the idea wasn't particularly popular before this war.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Looked up No to Nato Network and they have been around for quite some time.
About us: No to war – no to NATO network – No to war – no to NATO Network
www.no-to-nato.org
They were critical of NATO long before the present conflict.
NATO was a Cold War organisation that should have been wound up after end of Cold War and collapse of Communisn in Eastern Europe. It found a new role for itself outside of Europe which wasn't what it was originally about. It wasnt set up to defend democracy but to oppose USSR in the Cold War. Portugal for example was early member when it was still ruled by Salazar. Who was only overthrown in the 70s. Greece for some years was run by Military dictatorship which didn't stop it being member of NATO.
Not saying this to deflect from Putins responsibility for Ukraine invasion.
Its not imo right to imply any criticism of NATO is being pro Putin.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
Absolutely think criticism of NATO is valid, yes. But I don't get why No to NATO would be involved with this day of action for peace in Ukraine, especially when there's an apparent absence of any Ukrainian, Russian or Belarusian groups. And especially with some of the questionable behaviour of StW so far concerning the war in Ukraine.Looked up No to Nato Network and they have been around for quite some time.
About us: No to war – no to NATO network – No to war – no to NATO Network
They were critical of NATO long before the present conflict.
NATO was a Cold War organisation that should have been wound up after end of Cold War and collapse of Communisn in Eastern Europe. It found a new role for itself outside of Europe which wasn't what it was originally about. It wasnt set up to defend democracy but to oppose USSR in the Cold War. Portugal for example was early member when it was still ruled by Salazar. Who was only overthrown in the 70s. Greece for some years was run by Military dictatorship which didn't stop it being member of NATO.
Not saying this to deflect from Putins responsibility for Ukraine invasion.
Its not imo right to imply any criticism of NATO is being pro Putin.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
His Russian paymasters told him to drop the Stwc because one of their meetings failed to say 'the Ukrainian territories are Nazis' the required 25 times.
tim
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Aside from Stop The War and the minor Trot/Paul Mason alliance, Ukraine Solidarity Campaign is there any other anti war groups that can muster feet on the street regardless of the correct slogans?
nogojones
spelling is overrated
Possibly CND? but they must be a rump of what they once were.
I was wondering what the SP were up to as I've had some TUSC leaflets through the door. It looks like their official line is "don't mention the war".
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Be a bit odd if they did if the leaflets are regarding the council elections?
nogojones
spelling is overrated
I had a quick peep at the SP website and didn't see much there either
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
'I mentioned NATO once, but I think I got away with it.'
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Fair enough. But, still, it would be bizarre for TUSC to campaign for council seats by focussing on Ukraine.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Aside from a demo at the beginning of the war and some small pickets of the Russian Embassy very little activity here despite there still being a large amount of coverage in newspapers, TV and online The May Day demos had a reasonable turnout but the focus was on struggles in Portugal.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Here's the Assadist Workers Party and their take on the war - 'Putin has a point'. I'm sure they've reached this position through an inclusive policy making process, culminating in perhaps a one day conference. This Galloway bloke is merely the mouthpiece for that collective voice. 
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Putin has a point... - Workers Party of Britain
Leader of the Workers Party, George Galloway in a clip on TikTok has highlighted a piece in the Spectator. The magazine, not exactly famous as a left-wing journal, told peopleContinue reading "Putin has a point…"
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nogojones
spelling is overrated
I was hoping his Tiktok would have him doing a little dance.Here's the Assadist Workers Party and their take on the war - 'Putin has a point'. I'm sure they've reached this position through an inclusive policy making process, culminating in perhaps a one day conference. This Galloway bloke is merely the mouthpiece for that collective voice.
Putin has a point... - Workers Party of Britain
Leader of the Workers Party, George Galloway in a clip on TikTok has highlighted a piece in the Spectator. The magazine, not exactly famous as a left-wing journal, told peopleContinue reading "Putin has a point…"
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Might want to break the linkHere's the Assadist Workers Party and their take on the war - 'Putin has a point'. I'm sure they've reached this position through an inclusive policy making process, culminating in perhaps a one day conference. This Galloway bloke is merely the mouthpiece for that collective voice.
Putin has a point... - Workers Party of Britain
Leader of the Workers Party, George Galloway in a clip on TikTok has highlighted a piece in the Spectator. The magazine, not exactly famous as a left-wing journal, told peopleContinue reading "Putin has a point…"
Lurdan
old wave
For those who want to appreciate the prick 'in full flow' but who don't want to go to the Wankers Party site here's the video:
The Spectator article (archived) he refers to dates from January and has aged about as well as the fucker citing it.
The Spectator article (archived) he refers to dates from January and has aged about as well as the fucker citing it.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
He's just a twat in a hat.
nogojones
spelling is overrated
I don't mind if our milkshakes brings all the tankies to our yard. It'll be a bit of sport for most and company for those that feel a bit left out from the lack of Putin love.
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