STOP THE WAR COALITION MEETING OXFORD. 19/04/2022

[Nigel]

..or even some Russians?

Should imagine ny ethnic Russians from Ukrainian Regions/Territories whether in Russia or Ukraine regions would be keeping their heads down!
As I've posted up recently International Workers Aid has been re-established by Michael Probsting-RCIT. Even though they take a very pro Ukrainian perspective, after their first convoy to Lviv, from brief dialogue with one of their members pointed out violent persecution of minorities, along with victimisation, scapegoating and persecution; significantly, Tartars & Ethnic Russians( although I'd expect Romas would come in there also.)
Hopefully could get something out of this, at least represetatives of these peoples suffering under Ukrainian Nationalism!

 

[Sue]

Nigel, don't think you ever explained why you say 'Ukrainian regions/ territories' rather than simply 'Ukraine'?

 

[Nigel]

I CBA to check myself. What's the CPB's take on things?

I purposefully didn't minute the meeting for obvious reasons; you'll either have to attend Oxford Stop The War Coalition meetings or contact CPB to find that out.

 

[ouirdeaux]

I purposefully didn't minute the meeting for obvious reasons

It was too embarrassing?

 

[mojo pixy]

Nigel, don't think you ever explained why you say 'Ukrainian regions/ territories' rather than simply 'Ukraine'?

Because Nigel doesn't believe Ukraine is or should be an autonomous country, but instead that Ukrainian nationalism = nazism. Now where have I heard that before...?

I wonder if he ever refers to 'Scottish region' or 'Welsh territories'? And if not, why not?

 

[Wilf]

Because Nigel doesn't believe Ukraine is or should be an autonomous country, but instead that Ukrainian nationalism = nazism. Now where have I heard that before...?

I wonder if he ever refers to 'Scottish region' or 'Welsh territories'? And if not, why not?

I think the rule of thumb is: 'if Russia decides to invade a country, it can't be a country'.

 

[mojo pixy]

I think the rule of thumb is: 'if Russia decides to invade a country, it can't be a country'.

Now is the time, with absolute historical accuracy in mind, to start referring to Russia as Northern Rus' region.

 

[chilango]

TBF, a bit of a coup getting that grumpy tennis player.

C'mon Tim!

 

[chilango]

Nigel, don't think you ever explained why you say 'Ukrainian regions/ territories' rather than simply 'Ukraine'?

Give it time. He'll be writing "Ukkkraine" before too long at this rate

 

[hitmouse]

I CBA to check myself. What's the CPB's take on things?

No, I don't think the Communist Bollocks Alliance turned up in the end.

 

[Sue]

Give it time. He'll be writing "Ukkkraine" before too long at this rate

Oh chilango .

 

[Nigel]

Nigel, don't think you ever explained why you say 'Ukrainian regions/ territories' rather than simply 'Ukraine'?

I find the complexities; history, cartography/conveyance, ethnic disputes, logsitics, leglaity/treaties/conventions/agreementents: Verkhovna Rada legislation/Minsk Protocol; how that fits in with UN Resolutions e.g. 68/262 contradicting 2014 referendums etc etc a bit overwheling to give an accurate account of this!

 

[cupid_stunt]

I find the complexities; history, cartography/conveyance, ethnic disputes, logsitics, leglaity/treaties/conventions/agreementents: Verkhovna Rada legislation/Minsk Protocol; how that fits in with UN Resolutions e.g. 68/262 contradicting 2014 referendums etc etc a bit overwheling to give an accurate account of this!

You mean the rigged 2014 Crimean referendum?

 

[chilango]

Oh chilango .

Sorry.

 

[nogojones]

I purposefully didn't minute the meeting for obvious reasons; you'll either have to attend Oxford Stop The War Coalition meetings or contact CPB to find that out.

I bet they call them the Ukrainian regions

 

[nogojones]

TBF, a bit of a coup getting that grumpy tennis player.

The LTA should ban that cunt n all

 

[nogojones]

I find the complexities; history, cartography/conveyance, ethnic disputes, logsitics, leglaity/treaties/conventions/agreementents: Verkhovna Rada legislation/Minsk Protocol; how that fits in with UN Resolutions e.g. 68/262 contradicting 2014 referendums etc etc a bit overwheling to give an accurate account of this!

Nigel you really are starting to sound, not so much anti-war, but more pro-Putin, with a side helping of antisemitism.

I've not really paid too much attention to peoples political affiliations on here over the years, but you never really stood out as a cunt to me in the past. What's happened to you?

 

[JimW]

TBF an ex RT journo could also say they're not a dyed-in-the-wool anti-Russian and they still think Putin's a mad cunt though obviously that would be a pleasant surprise.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

33 people turned up excluding speakers & chair; about 5 not religious based or politicos, three people from anti homophobia & trans solidarity demo beforehand we leafleted!
Groups who tuned up; Greens, Labour Left, Lib Dems, Unite Community, Momentum, Socialist Party (CWI), Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party Britain, Communist Corresponce Society, Workers Fight & A Couple Of Their Fellow Comrades In France Lutte Ouvriere, Counterfire, Oxford CND, Quakers, Christians (St. Michaels Church); basically most of the left in Oxford was represented!

Reassuring to learn no normal people turned up. Did anyone look around the room and wonder aloud why not?

 

[planetgeli]

Nigel you really are starting to sound, not so much anti-war, but more pro-Putin, with a side helping of antisemitism.

I've not really paid too much attention to peoples political affiliations on here over the years, but you never really stood out as a cunt to me in the past. What's happened to you?

He responded to a post of mine about a Serb pro-Russia demo with a love smiley. Then there's the I$rael thing. Unless I'm missing something that's all dodgy as fuck.

 

[Wilf]

Reassuring to learn no normal people turned up. Did anyone look around the room and wonder aloud why not?

Even the Quakers must have turned their big collars up on the way out. No way they'd want to be recognised in that company.

 

[Wilf]

'We're going to the pub after the meeting, do you want to come along?'
- No, fuck off.

 

[Sue]

Reassuring to learn no normal people turned up. Did anyone look around the room and wonder aloud why not?

I quite like the sound of the Communist Corresponding Society* tbh. I mean I'm sure they're awful but...

Seventeenth-century calculating machines
7:30pm, Thursday 16 June

CCS

Communist Corresponding Society

communistcorrespondingsociety.org

* I assumed if was 'Correspondence' but apparently not.

 

[JimW]

I quite like the sound of the Communist Corresponding Society* tbh. I mean I'm sure they're awful but...

Seventeenth-century calculating machines
7:30pm, Thursday 16 June

CCS

Communist Corresponding Society

communistcorrespondingsociety.org

* I assumed if was 'Correspondence' but apparently not.

Tip of the hat to the London Corresponding Society of radical fame, I presume.

 

[Nigel]

Tip of the hat to the London Corresponding Society of radical fame, I presume.

I'm not sure they would want to be considered in the same tradition as E.P Thompson!

 

[nogojones]

I'm not sure they would want to be considered in the same tradition as E.P Thompson!

You're cool with being in the same tradition as George Galloway though, so you never know.

 

[cupid_stunt]

He responded to a post of mine about a Serb pro-Russia demo with a love smiley. Then there's the I$rael thing. Unless I'm missing something that's all dodgy as fuck.

So, Nigel, are you going to explain yourself over these two matters?

 

[Shechemite]

Depressing to see Unite Community attend

 

[hitmouse]

Depressing to see Unite Community attend

Tbf, as much as I have a lot of respect for what they do as an organisation, it's not like it's ever been a particularly crank-free or even crank-light zone?

 

[Shechemite]

Tbf, as much as I have a lot of respect for what they do as an organisation, it's not like it's ever been a particularly crank-free or even crank-light zone?

But that’s what makes it depressing. Decent people not putting anywhere near enough blue water between themselves and the cranks; any sort of socialist alternative (no pun intended) being fucked by this crap; people who are at the bottom of society (unite community a big player in anti-austerity/disability politics) being groomed by scum.