Just Stop Oil

[kenny g]

As by their reasoning we are apparently approaching a climate catastrophe one would have thought a more significant action would have been deemed appropriate. It all seems terribly tame.

 

[Wookey]

As by their reasoning we are apparently approaching a climate catastrophe one would have thought a more significant action would have been deemed appropriate. It all seems terribly tame.

I agree, we've done the soup on a painting now, it becomes reiterative and dull. Pulling down statues seems to work better. Blocking motorways, I don't even know how to measure success except in headlines?

What do you think would be a more significant action? (bearing in mind thought-crime, incitement to violence, conspiracy to terrorise, all those laws apply in this place just as any other! But in THEORY what would a potential significant action actually do?)

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So it was more likely that they would be convicted. That does not make them prisoners of conscience.

If telling th jury that their conscience led them to commit the action stops them being convicted, the state then bans them from using their conscience as a defence to ensure they are convicted, that makes them what?

Nice weather we’re having lately, btw.

 

[kenny g]

I agree, we've done the soup on a painting now, it becomes reiterative and dull. Pulling down statues seems to work better. Blocking motorways, I don't even know how to measure success except in headlines?

What do you think would be a more significant action? (bearing in mind thought-crime, incitement to violence, conspiracy to terrorise, all those laws apply in this place just as any other! But in THEORY what would a potential significant action actually do?)

I'm afraid you can't step out of a conspiracy by just stating you are theorising.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm afraid you can't step out of a conspiracy by just stating you are theorising.

Unless you're Pete Townsend

 

[kenny g]

Unless you're Pete Townsend

Unless you're Pete Townsend

Pete was providing his credit card details to certain websites for purely research purposes which is entirely different.

 

[hash tag]

Fair point ( digressing, some of this is true for protests against the arms trade).

As the waters rise, a two-year sentence for throwing soup. That’s the farcical reality of British justice | George Monbiot

Why do the mass killers of the fossil fuel industry walk free while the heroes trying to stop them are imprisoned? asks Guardian columnist George Monbiot

www.theguardian.com

 

[T & P]

This is just fucking abominable…

Elderly activist to spend Christmas in prison because tag does not fit

Woman jailed for M25 protest not allowed to continue home detention because electronic tags are too big

www.theguardian.com

 

[8ball]

This is just fucking abominable…

Elderly activist to spend Christmas in prison because tag does not fit

Woman jailed for M25 protest not allowed to continue home detention because electronic tags are too big

www.theguardian.com

Couldn’t someone employ some lateral thinking? Like maybe take the thing to a cobbler or something for an adjustment?

Failing that, a hammer and some nails would sort it.

 

[hash tag]

Anybody would think she is a massive murderer who is a risk to the public.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Anybody would think she is a massive murderer who is a risk to the public.

Don't be silly. They already let all the murderers out to make room for more little old ladies.

 

[bcuster]

 

[Dystopiary]

?

 

[Boo Radley75]

Wtf are they hoping to achieve by desecrating Charles Darwin's grave? Bunch of arseholes.

Westminster Abbey: JSO activists spray-paint Charles Darwin grave

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Wtf are they hoping to achieve by desecrating Charles Darwin's grave? Bunch oof arseholes.

Westminster Abbey: JSO activists spray-paint Charles Darwin grave

As symbolic gestures go, that's one of their better ones.

 

[Chilli.s]

Thats easy to clean off

 

[lazythursday]

Wtf are they hoping to achieve by desecrating Charles Darwin's grave? Bunch of arseholes.

Westminster Abbey: JSO activists spray-paint Charles Darwin grave

Please give us your strategy for effective climate protest.

 

[Serge Forward]

Please give us your strategy for effective climate protest.

To be fair, I wish JSO would tell us their strategy for effective climate protest because they don't seem to be targeting the most egregious polluters, their financers or the politicians who support the main polluters.

 

[lazythursday]

To be fair, I wish JSO would tell us their strategy for effective climate protest because they don't seem to be targeting the most egregious polluters, their financers or the politicians who support the main polluters.

Can't find the links right now but I think JSO have been pretty open about their strategy and there have been links earlier in thread. Many of us have been sceptical but no-one has really come up with anything better either.

They would point to examples where they have done the above and it has been completely ineffective eg zero media coverage.

 

[PTK]

Where this protest falls down is that it is not a secret that 1.5 degrees is dead.
This kind of protest is appropriate in a case where the state is suppressing a piece of news. The other day the news was reporting that the average temperature had broken 1.5 degrees above the pre-industrial average.
The protestors are not telling us anything that we do not know.

 

[StoneRoad]

Sadly, JSO are also {with such actions} alienating some supporters ...

 

[Saul Goodman]

Please give us your strategy for effective climate protest.

If by effective you mean more effective than JSO, then drawing spunking cocks on bus stop windows would work.

 

[Dystopiary]

To be fair, I wish JSO would tell us their strategy for effective climate protest because they don't seem to be targeting the most egregious polluters, their financers or the politicians who support the main polluters.

I agree, but look what happened when people did do stuff like that.

 

[edcraw]

Wtf are they hoping to achieve by desecrating Charles Darwin's grave? Bunch of arseholes.

Westminster Abbey: JSO activists spray-paint Charles Darwin grave

You do know the article does actually answer your question yeah?

 

[Serge Forward]

I agree, but look what happened when people did do stuff like that.

To be fair it's likely JSO will already have narks in place.

 

[inva]

To be fair, I wish JSO would tell us their strategy for effective climate protest because they don't seem to be targeting the most egregious polluters, their financers or the politicians who support the main polluters.

The idea that any small activist group could have a meaningful strategy in the face of the scale and urgency of the issue seems pretty ludicrous to be honest. I don't really blame them if these kind of stunts is the best they can come up with.

 

[LDC]

Can't find the links right now but I think JSO have been pretty open about their strategy and there have been links earlier in thread. Many of us have been sceptical but no-one has really come up with anything better either.

They would point to examples where they have done the above and it has been completely ineffective eg zero media coverage.

I think there's clearly much better stuff to do, it's just that it's much harder (and some much riskier and with harsher sentencing) and would also fly in the face of the narrow remit of the activist culture way of doing things that JSO spring from.

To be fair, I wish JSO would tell us their strategy for effective climate protest because they don't seem to be targeting the most egregious polluters, their financers or the politicians who support the main polluters.

I'm far from convinced that JSO targeting them would make any more of an impact either tbh, even though it would feel (and be) more related to the actual issue.

I think a broader discussion around climate strategy is very much needed for us all really.

 

[PTK]

You do know the article does actually answer your question yeah?

"The other activist, Ms Bligh, said: "We've done this because there's no hope for the world, really.""

Why protest if there is no hope?

"Ms Lee added: "I believe he would approve because he was a good scientist and he would be following the science, and he would be as upset as us with the government for ignoring the science.""

It is not true that the government is ignoring the science. The government of the UK and the governments of most states accept the science of climate change. This is why the UK government is committed to cutting back the emission of greenhouse gases. The government is not doing enough, but does Just Stop Oil have an alternative programme?

 

[edcraw]

"The other activist, Ms Bligh, said: "We've done this because there's no hope for the world, really.""

Why protest if there is no hope?

"Ms Lee added: "I believe he would approve because he was a good scientist and he would be following the science, and he would be as upset as us with the government for ignoring the science.""

It is not true that the government is ignoring the science. The government of the UK and the governments of most states accept the science of climate change. This is why the UK government is committed to cutting back the emission of greenhouse gases. The government is not doing enough, but does Just Stop Oil have an alternative programme?

You asked what they were trying to achieve - they clearly state what they ate trying to achieve. Whether you believe that it's effective is something else.

Ms Lee told the PA news agency: "We are trying to get the government to act on climate change. They are not doing enough."

 

[Boo Radley75]

Please give us your strategy for effective climate protest.

I dunno, but if you're going to desecrate graves, which is a cuntish thing to do, anyway, maybe go for CEOs of big oil companies instead of respected naturalists.