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Four JSO protestors in court today over two separate incidents.

Two Just Stop Oil protesters have appeared in court accused of damaging two jets that were sprayed with orange paint at Stansted Airport.

The pair are said to have used angle grinders to break through an airport fence at around 5am on 20 June, before using fire extinguishers filled with paint.
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Won't anyone think of the jet planes?

Jennifer Kowalski, 28, of Dumbarton in Scotland, and Cole Macdonald, 22, of Brighton, appeared before Chelmsford Crown Court on Monday.

The defendants, who are on conditional bail, were not asked to enter pleas to charges and the case was adjourned until 15 August.
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https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/202...-in-court-over-airport-jet-spray-paint-damage

Two women in their 80s have denied damaging the glass around the Magna Carta at the British Library on 10 May.

The Reverend Sue Parfitt, 82, and Judith Bruce, 85, each pleaded not guilty to a charge of damaging property when they appeared at Wood Green Crown Court on Monday.
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Rev Parfitt, of Bristol, and Ms Bruce, of Swansea, were granted conditional bail. According to the BBC, their trial is scheduled to start on 13 January 2026. (Seems a long way off; wonder if that's a typo.)

Magna Carta: Campaigners in court accused of damaging case
 
Dystopiary said:
Four JSO protestors in court today over two separate incidents.



Won't anyone think of the jet planes?



https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/202...-in-court-over-airport-jet-spray-paint-damage



Rev Parfitt, of Bristol, and Ms Bruce, of Swansea, were granted conditional bail. According to the BBC, their trial is scheduled to start on 13 January 2026. (Seems a long way off; wonder if that's a typo.)

Magna Carta: Campaigners in court accused of damaging case
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Presumably the state hoping that by 2026 there may be fewer defendants.
 
Dystopiary said:
Rev Parfitt, of Bristol, and Ms Bruce, of Swansea, were granted conditional bail. According to the BBC, their trial is scheduled to start on 13 January 2026. (Seems a long way off; wonder if that's a typo.)
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Both octogenarians as well. Can't imagine either of them being sent to prison.
 
hash tag said:
Jamming up the M25 is nothing by comparison to this, which is putting lives, property and wildlife at risk
www.theguardian.com

French rail network hit by arson attacks before Olympics opening ceremony

Prosecutors open formal investigation after coordinated attacks cause severe disruption on France’s busiest lines
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Is there an indication at this point this was the work of environmental activists? It feels more like Putin's hand to me... It'd certainly be idiotic in the extreme to target trains of all things if the protest is environment-related.
 
I vaguely recall hearing about rail sabotage occurring in France a while back, before Russia started acting the maggot on the world stage.
 
hash tag said:
It certainly seems to have raised public awareness and angered many which is good
www.bbc.co.uk

Just Stop Oil co-founder tells BBC from jail: We're not done yet

Just Stop Oil co-founder tells BBC from jail: We're not done yet
www.bbc.co.uk
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You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to
 
Karl Masks said:
You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to
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Governments have been limiting protests for decades, Labour under Blair to tories under Sunak - none of them want to allow protests and Starmer sure as shit isn’t going to allow protests

JSO isn’t going to be allowed to protest no matter what it does
 
Karl Masks said:
You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to
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your tagline should be the dead kennedys 'give me convenience or give me death'. only you're serious about it
 
Karl Masks said:
You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to
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Did you read the article Rob Ray wrote and posted above? JSO's actions are not particularly extreme, historically speaking. The reaction to them has been extreme.
 
lazythursday said:
Did you read the article Rob Ray wrote and posted above? JSO's actions are not particularly extreme, historically speaking. The reaction to them has been extreme.
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It doesn't matter whether we here think they are extreme. It matters how people they are trying to win over think, and how the media frame it.

Either they get ignored and stepped over/on, or they stop people going on holiday. How does either of those advance their cause?
 
Karl Masks said:
You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to
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Jeez, you really are all output and no input aren’t you?
 
Karl Masks said:
It doesn't matter whether we here think they are extreme. It matters how people they are trying to win over think, and how the media frame it.

Either they get ignored and stepped over/on, or they stop people going on holiday. How does either of those advance their cause?
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You have a really simplistic linear approach to understanding the role of protest, which doesn't take into account that JSO is just one group amongst many when it comes to climate/environment, and how an issue being repeatedly put into the news can increase its salience even if people don't like the actual group doing the protest.

Here is one paper that has identified positive effects of JSO actions: https://www.socialchangelab.org/_files/ugd/503ba4_a184ae5bbce24c228d07eda25566dc13.pdf

Personally I am a lot more comfortable with airport protests. The majority of flying is done by the wealthy; flying is not essential and I don't really care if you're made to feel a bit uncomfortable going through an airport (or should I say more uncomfortable, given they are hellish places to begin with).
 
lazythursday said:
You have a really simplistic linear approach to understanding the role of protest, which doesn't take into account that JSO is just one group amongst many when it comes to climate/environment, and how an issue being repeatedly put into the news can increase its salience even if people don't like the actual group doing the protest.
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'linear'?

This thread is about JSO, I don't know what other groups exist that are taking actions so I'm not commenting on them. If that's linear, oh well.

An issue can make it into the news but how it's framed is what's important. If pople hear about this all the time, but only in a negative "these people want to ruin your holiday" context, are they going to draw positive conclusions or think "fuck off JSO"?

lazythursday said:
Here is one paper that has identified positive effects of JSO actions: https://www.socialchangelab.org/_files/ugd/503ba4_a184ae5bbce24c228d07eda25566dc13.pdf

Personally I am a lot more comfortable with airport protests. The majority of flying is done by the wealthy; flying is not essential and I don't really care if you're made to feel a bit uncomfortable going through an airport (or should I say more uncomfortable, given they are hellish places to begin with).
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I mean airport protests don't affect me, I don't fly. But that isn't really the point. This is the summer holidays and there may be some, maybe many, working class families taking themsleves for the one holiday they can afford, now possibly missing a flight or having to cancel. What impact does that have on the oil industry or the government? Fuck all

As to that study. It's hard to parse because I dont really speak their language, but it said this on the issue of question 3, support for climate policies:
We alsotested whether increased awareness of Just Stop Oil was associated with stronger supportfor climate policies. This was not the case. Instead, in both types of analysis there was anon-significant trend towards a negative association (analysis 1 looking at overall effects:estimate=-0.05, SE=0.03, t=-1.73, p=0.10; analysis 2 looking at relative differences frombefore to after the campaign: estimate=-0.05, SE=0.04, t=-1.32, p=0.19).
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