Just Stop Oil

[Dystopiary]

Four JSO protestors in court today over two separate incidents.

Two Just Stop Oil protesters have appeared in court accused of damaging two jets that were sprayed with orange paint at Stansted Airport.

The pair are said to have used angle grinders to break through an airport fence at around 5am on 20 June, before using fire extinguishers filled with paint.

Won't anyone think of the jet planes?

Jennifer Kowalski, 28, of Dumbarton in Scotland, and Cole Macdonald, 22, of Brighton, appeared before Chelmsford Crown Court on Monday.

The defendants, who are on conditional bail, were not asked to enter pleas to charges and the case was adjourned until 15 August.

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/202...-in-court-over-airport-jet-spray-paint-damage

Two women in their 80s have denied damaging the glass around the Magna Carta at the British Library on 10 May.

The Reverend Sue Parfitt, 82, and Judith Bruce, 85, each pleaded not guilty to a charge of damaging property when they appeared at Wood Green Crown Court on Monday.

Rev Parfitt, of Bristol, and Ms Bruce, of Swansea, were granted conditional bail. According to the BBC, their trial is scheduled to start on 13 January 2026. (Seems a long way off; wonder if that's a typo.)

Magna Carta: Campaigners in court accused of damaging case

 

[kenny g]

Four JSO protestors in court today over two separate incidents.



Won't anyone think of the jet planes?



https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/202...-in-court-over-airport-jet-spray-paint-damage



Rev Parfitt, of Bristol, and Ms Bruce, of Swansea, were granted conditional bail. According to the BBC, their trial is scheduled to start on 13 January 2026. (Seems a long way off; wonder if that's a typo.)

Magna Carta: Campaigners in court accused of damaging case

Presumably the state hoping that by 2026 there may be fewer defendants.

 

[hash tag]

Rev Parfitt, of Bristol, and Ms Bruce, of Swansea, were granted conditional bail. According to the BBC, their trial is scheduled to start on 13 January 2026. (Seems a long way off; wonder if that's a typo.)

Both octogenarians as well. Can't imagine either of them being sent to prison.

 

[hash tag]

"arrested on suspicion". No crime committed FFS. This really is becoming a police state

Heathrow: Nine Just Stop Oil activists arrested at airport

The activists are suspected of conspiring to interfere with a site of key national infrastructure.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[hash tag]

Would JSO not have been better off targeting the airshow/arms fair at Farnborough?
I should have been there protesting again today, but I'm having to work out my last few days at work.

CAAT - Protest & Vigil: Farnborough International Airshow

Farnborough Arms Fair returns in July. No to the Horror Show!

caat.org.uk

 

[hash tag]

Jamming up the M25 is nothing by comparison to this, which is putting lives, property and wildlife at risk

French rail network hit by arson attacks before Olympics opening ceremony

Prosecutors open formal investigation after coordinated attacks cause severe disruption on France’s busiest lines

www.theguardian.com

 

[T & P]

Jamming up the M25 is nothing by comparison to this, which is putting lives, property and wildlife at risk

French rail network hit by arson attacks before Olympics opening ceremony

Prosecutors open formal investigation after coordinated attacks cause severe disruption on France’s busiest lines

www.theguardian.com

Is there an indication at this point this was the work of environmental activists? It feels more like Putin's hand to me... It'd certainly be idiotic in the extreme to target trains of all things if the protest is environment-related.

 

[Silas Loom]

Don’t think that Putin is needed to explain groups of French people being angry about stuff. Could be any of them.

 

[NoXion]

I vaguely recall hearing about rail sabotage occurring in France a while back, before Russia started acting the maggot on the world stage.

 

[Elpenor]

JSO rumoured to be going at UK airports tomorrow

 

[bcuster]

Martyrs?

 

[Rob Ray]

I wrote a wee thing on jailings and JSO:

The extreme broadness of 'extremism' - Freedom News

Just Stop Oil are being branded "fanatics" for disruptive actions whose kind hardly raised an eyebrow a decade ago

freedomnews.org.uk

 

[Orang Utan]

Martyrs?

If being unjustly sent to prison for increasing awareness of an existential threat makes them martyrs, then yes.

 

[hash tag]

It certainly seems to have raised public awareness and angered many which is good

Just Stop Oil co-founder tells BBC from jail: We're not done yet

Just Stop Oil co-founder tells BBC from jail: We're not done yet

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[redsquirrel]

Bloody BBC, it's not direct action FFS.

Sorry pet peeve

 

[Saul Goodman]

Martyrs?

ToMartyrs

 

[Karl Masks]

It certainly seems to have raised public awareness and angered many which is good

Just Stop Oil co-founder tells BBC from jail: We're not done yet

Just Stop Oil co-founder tells BBC from jail: We're not done yet

www.bbc.co.uk

You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to

 

[krtek a houby]

Won't somebody please think of the holiday industry?

 

[Artaxerxes]

You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to

Governments have been limiting protests for decades, Labour under Blair to tories under Sunak - none of them want to allow protests and Starmer sure as shit isn’t going to allow protests

JSO isn’t going to be allowed to protest no matter what it does

 

[pug]

I'm sure if there were no more than three of them quietly handing over a petition its be fine

 

[hash tag]

You could argue they've made protest harder

Ive already said protest is getting harder, since just before we lost Brian Hawes. Yes, I agree it might well get harder which in turn might spark more protests.
So much for freedom of speech etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to

your tagline should be the dead kennedys 'give me convenience or give me death'. only you're serious about it

 

[Pickman's model]

Both octogenarians as well. Can't imagine either of them being sent to prison.

under shammer's government i don't think you'll have that difficulty much longer

 

[lazythursday]

You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to

Did you read the article Rob Ray wrote and posted above? JSO's actions are not particularly extreme, historically speaking. The reaction to them has been extreme.

 

[Karl Masks]

Did you read the article Rob Ray wrote and posted above? JSO's actions are not particularly extreme, historically speaking. The reaction to them has been extreme.

It doesn't matter whether we here think they are extreme. It matters how people they are trying to win over think, and how the media frame it.

Either they get ignored and stepped over/on, or they stop people going on holiday. How does either of those advance their cause?

 

[Orang Utan]

You could argue they've made protest harder

"In the face of this disorder the state felt compelled to act. Police chiefs asked for more and better powers - and they got them."

Now they are lying down in airport terminals. Who are they trying to win over? People who have spent hundreds on plane tickets and holidays? Pissed off familiies stuck in airport terminals? Their screaming kids? Is there any evidence that people watching these actions are being radicalised or persuaded to do....whatever? Presumably write to their MP and compel them to act since that appears the only productive course of action these protests can lead to

Jeez, you really are all output and no input aren’t you?

 

[lazythursday]

It doesn't matter whether we here think they are extreme. It matters how people they are trying to win over think, and how the media frame it.

Either they get ignored and stepped over/on, or they stop people going on holiday. How does either of those advance their cause?

You have a really simplistic linear approach to understanding the role of protest, which doesn't take into account that JSO is just one group amongst many when it comes to climate/environment, and how an issue being repeatedly put into the news can increase its salience even if people don't like the actual group doing the protest.

Here is one paper that has identified positive effects of JSO actions: https://www.socialchangelab.org/_files/ugd/503ba4_a184ae5bbce24c228d07eda25566dc13.pdf

Personally I am a lot more comfortable with airport protests. The majority of flying is done by the wealthy; flying is not essential and I don't really care if you're made to feel a bit uncomfortable going through an airport (or should I say more uncomfortable, given they are hellish places to begin with).

 

[Karl Masks]

You have a really simplistic linear approach to understanding the role of protest, which doesn't take into account that JSO is just one group amongst many when it comes to climate/environment, and how an issue being repeatedly put into the news can increase its salience even if people don't like the actual group doing the protest.

'linear'?

This thread is about JSO, I don't know what other groups exist that are taking actions so I'm not commenting on them. If that's linear, oh well.

An issue can make it into the news but how it's framed is what's important. If pople hear about this all the time, but only in a negative "these people want to ruin your holiday" context, are they going to draw positive conclusions or think "fuck off JSO"?

Here is one paper that has identified positive effects of JSO actions: https://www.socialchangelab.org/_files/ugd/503ba4_a184ae5bbce24c228d07eda25566dc13.pdf

Personally I am a lot more comfortable with airport protests. The majority of flying is done by the wealthy; flying is not essential and I don't really care if you're made to feel a bit uncomfortable going through an airport (or should I say more uncomfortable, given they are hellish places to begin with).

I mean airport protests don't affect me, I don't fly. But that isn't really the point. This is the summer holidays and there may be some, maybe many, working class families taking themsleves for the one holiday they can afford, now possibly missing a flight or having to cancel. What impact does that have on the oil industry or the government? Fuck all

As to that study. It's hard to parse because I dont really speak their language, but it said this on the issue of question 3, support for climate policies:

We alsotested whether increased awareness of Just Stop Oil was associated with stronger supportfor climate policies. This was not the case. Instead, in both types of analysis there was anon-significant trend towards a negative association (analysis 1 looking at overall effects:estimate=-0.05, SE=0.03, t=-1.73, p=0.10; analysis 2 looking at relative differences frombefore to after the campaign: estimate=-0.05, SE=0.04, t=-1.32, p=0.19).

 

[Karl Masks]

Jeez, you really are all output and no input aren’t you?

I've no idea what this means, this is a discussion forum.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've no idea what this means, this is a discussion forum.

it means you're full of shit and you wipe it all across the boards