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8ball
Decolonise colons!
Maybe he’s a JSO plant.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
If they wanted to raise awareness and create a debate surely they wouldn't have turned off the comments on all their YouTube videos of their protests 
YouTube comments section solving world problems since 2005If they wanted to raise awareness and create a debate surely they wouldn't have turned off the comments on all their YouTube videos of their protests
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I assume he's been paid so surely this is creating jobs and thus a positive? Especially when those in tufton street have made so many lose work
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
They'd be doing that job anyway.
Only difference, Mr Tufton wouldn't be pretending to care if it werent his front door and if it weren't a bunch of oiks throwing climate minestrone everywhere.
Who knew soup was so hard to clean?
Only difference, Mr Tufton wouldn't be pretending to care if it werent his front door and if it weren't a bunch of oiks throwing climate minestrone everywhere.
Who knew soup was so hard to clean?
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I was thinking of the Greenham Common protesters today, who no doubt would have been more successful if they'd spent most of their time vomiting on the stages of concert halls in Scotland. I bet the people would really have noticed that sort of stunt, and put lots more pressure on Thatcher.
Because no one moaned about their tactics and we now live in a world free of nuclear weapons…
Protest by CND stretches 14 miles | Special reports | guardian.co.uk
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8ball
Decolonise colons!
Proper Dad fight there.
I love the “I don’t want to do this” gambit. I’m going to try it out.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
They tried to climb the gate into Downing Street, but they didn't seem very determined:
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HaveMyPassword123
Here's a reminder of when direct action protesters against oil infrastructure actually did something:
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
I'm genuinely not sure where I stand on all this. I want there to be direct action. It's just so alienatingly middle-class isn't it, from conception to execution.
Not sure that’s a reason not to support them or the cause - maybe actually a reason to get involved? - also it’s a phenomenon that is sadly very not unique to JSO.
Why middle class activism surprises economists
A middle class in modern societies often causes political ferment and spearheads mass movements against the status quo. The political turmoils that swept Brazil, Bulgaria and Turkey in 2013 provide…
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
I don't think being alienated by them is a reason to get involved with them.Not sure that’s a reason not to support them or the cause - maybe actually a reason to get involved? - also it’s a phenomenon that is sadly very not unique to JSO.
I’m not sure either of these are happening.
This is not a unique phenomenon but seems a useful stick to beat JSO & XR with. You either think we should do something about the climate crisis or you don’t.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
They've made a rod for their own backs with some of the things they chosen to do.
Doing something merely for the sake of doing something is vapid and facile. OK, so they've got some attention. Mission accomplished, even though climate change is one of those things that's always in the news anyway. Let's leave aside the question of whether the attention they've garnered is positive or negative overall. Now what?
I don’t no what actions you mean - blocking roads, spraying buildings or attacking art works are hardly just targeting the working class. Am I missing something?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
It's not difficult. Attempting to vandalise a widely-regarded work of art is a great way of sabotaging whatever message comes after it.
On the other hand, chucking paint over a posh car showroom at least has some kind of connection with the intended message.
Really? We’re back to this. If a painting not being damaged is enough to put you off a cause I don’t think you were ever that convinced.
It does seem that protests have to fit some very fine undefined rules to ensure they don’t alienate some people!
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
The fact that damage did not occur doesn't change the fact an attempt was made. These activists drew attention, sure. But I would argue not to an issue that's already been the talk of the last decade, if not longer. But to themselves. So what's the fucking point?
If climate change is so important, then why waste time and effort and the reputation of your organisation on pointless actions that garner meaningless if not negative attention?
"Make sure your target is relevant" doesn't seem to be an unreasonable expectation to me.
So blocking roads is fine then for JSO but the suffragettes breaking windows was wrong.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
They're alienating working class people. That's not a useful stick to beat them with, it's a reason not to get involved with them. Risks/benefits are not going to be the same for some people as others. ("The planet's in crisis" - which it obviously is - doesn't negate that fact.)
Are they going to help pay poorer people's fines? Do they recognise that the police treat certain members of society differently? People aren't necessarily going to take risks to get on board with something that's probably not very productive (or even counterproductive) and certainly not with people who don't seem to see class an actual material phenomenon. That's not simply having a go at them cos they're posh; it's a realistic consideration.
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platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Nailbombing tourists in Westminster Abbey was wrong, as was much of their bombing and arson campaign. Not sure a few broken windows were that important, but the value of the entire suffragette direct action campaign is debatable, maybe it actually delayed universal suffrage, but that tends to get glossed over because they were on the right side of the argument.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I'm ambivalent about the road blocking, to be honest. Does it help or hinder the cause? I honestly don't know. But considering just how important climate change is, then any organisation campaigning on that issue needs to be utterly ruthless in assessing the impacts of their actions. I am not getting that impression from JSO, it seems they want to get attention any way how.
As for the suffragette thing, most people don't remember them for breaking windows, do they? Certainly I'd not heard of them doing that until now. I'd not heard of them fucking nail bombing Westminster Abbey either. Jesus Christ. Just goes to show that you can be on the right side of history while still committing terrorist atrocities.
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