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Junior doctors strike back on

Do you actually live in the real world, I mean even you must recognise that 2 am is rather different to 2 pm.

Sasaferrato has already explained that there's no problem in his/her mind with doctors working 72 hours straight.

When I started as a student nurse in 1970, junior doctors would be on call from Fri 12:00 until Mon 12:00. They coped perfectly well.
 
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The whole concept of 'unsocial hours' is anachronistic, especially in medicine and similar 24/7 activities. Raise basic salaries, which is what is proposed, and phase out unsocial hours payments.

That isn't what is happening though. Lowering the costs of employing doctors with only 2% of doctors losing pay? Is Hunt related to Paul Daniels? This is just another part of Hunt readying the NHS to be flogged off to Branson et al.

BTW I was recently treated in Hunt's main A&E, the Royal Surrey - fucking awesome beyond words. And every study not carried out by neo-cons shows the NHS is the best value health care system in the world.

So fuck Hunt and all those who are trying to sell the NHS to make money for their mates at the expense of the sick.
 
Do you actually live in the real world, I mean even you must recognise that 2 am is rather different to 2 pm.
I think what he's saying is not that there is no difference, but that it doesn't matter any more. He's probably right, but that doesn't mean that's a good thing, or that we shouldn't be doing something to stop it going further, or to roll it back.
 
Had I the ability do do so, I would dismiss the whole bloody lot of them. They are a disgrace to the profession.

If you want a big salary and office hours, do something else.

As a nurse I routinely worked weekends, nights, bank holidays, Christmas Day etc, and thought absolutely nothing of it. It came with the job.

There weren't any doctors with you at the time then? And you didn't get paid for any of this? If there's no difference in the current world between 2pm and 2am you'll have no problem organising childcare at that time of day then, I'm sure.

As a currently practising nurse I completely stand with the doctors against this awful, dangerous contract. And be in no doubt there's coming for the nurses next, and all the protections for patient safety built up since your Carry On era of healthcare because working those hours in those conditions led to doctor error and patient harm. And clueless buffoons like you would be cheering them on. Glad you're no longer in the profession.
 
Additional: I don't want to be self-indulgent, but I was in hospital 2 weeks ago - I was told to come in post haste because they had put something called a 'loop recorder' just above my heart and it had been telling tales on what my ticker had been up to (stopping for several seconds at a time in my sleep, among other misbehaviour)... after a bit of consideration among consultants I've been fitted with a fancy kind of pacemaker. Not to make this all about about me, but I could hear plenty of conversations among nurses (not junior doctors) about the changes to contracts, and these are seen very much seen as part of a pattern of attacks on the service ('attacks' was the word most used - there are also especially egregious changes being made to nursing training bursaries too - given the salaries that nurses are paid I can only see this as another arm of an all-spectrum assault on the NHS).

I've had fantastic care in that hospital and I've seen first hand what the vermin's attacks are doing to the morale of the really great staff. I know I'd be a wreck after even one day of what they deal with week in week out.

I wish there was something more I could do to help but in lieu of anything more effective I will be supporting these strikes with every breath in my body.
 
Yep. More just anecdata but.. I know a junior doctor, works in mental health arguably the most overstretched bit of the whole NHS and I couldn't handle one day/night of what he does. How he copes with the stress the responsibility the hours are beyond me. And that's after accumulating a massive amount of debt which he's nowhere near paying off, for the extended years of incredibly competitive study to qualify.

grim reading in Guardian today:By the end of my first year as a doctor, I was ready to kill myself
 
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I just thought: this strike's only in England, isn't it? I'd had it in mind to slope down to the local general hospital for a bit of solidarity and fist-bumps...
 
Unions to ‘stand with doctors on the picket line'

Firefighters, bakers and civil servants are planning to join junior doctors on the picket line when they strike over pay and conditions on 12 January.

Matt Wrack, general secretary at the Fire Brigades Union, said: “Our people who have the day off work will go along to the pickets in support of junior doctors.” Ian Hodson, president at the Bakers, Food and Allied Workers Union, said he “will stand with our junior doctors”. ...
 
What's urban's opinion on the most effective way of supporting the strike action on Tuesday (I'm not in work that day)?
I can't speak for Urban, but I would have thought that demonstrating visible solidarity with the doctors is the best way to go. The Government will be doing its level best to paint this as a series of isolated actions by a hard core of disgruntled doctors out to make political hay at the expense of We, The People. So the more The People photographed alongside picketing doctors the less weight such a fable will have.
 
What's urban's opinion on the most effective way of supporting the strike action on Tuesday (I'm not in work that day)?

I am just making coffee and am going to take it to the picket line, and thats it, not staying, I am not sure how comfortable they will be with lots of leftists joining them, some will, but many won't.

certainly not paper sellers, I suspect they will be asked to leave
 
I can't speak for Urban, but I would have thought that demonstrating visible solidarity with the doctors is the best way to go. The Government will be doing its level best to paint this as a series of isolated actions by a hard core of disgruntled doctors out to make political hay at the expense of We, The People. So the more The People photographed alongside picketing doctors the less weight such a fable will have.
That.
Or executing Hunt.
 
What's urban's opinion on the most effective way of supporting the strike action on Tuesday (I'm not in work that day)?
Either visit the picket at your local hospital (most start at either 745 or 8, and go on till 12 at least) or go along to show support at a a "meet the doctors" event: we are running these in public places near the hospitals to explain our position to anyone interested...
 
And thanks for the support.
You're going to need all the support you can get: whatever Cunt & Co have done so far, it is as nothing to what they are going to throw at you by the time Strike Day comes around.

I'm in Wales, so no pickets to join or support, but I'm trying to do my bit online, publicising, arguing, and so on.

More power to you all - if ever it was needed, now is the time.
 
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