As long as we keep voting for capitalist politicians the nutters will always have a damn good chance of getting in. Capitalism and bourgeois democracy do not fight fascism to the death - capitalism needs the more extreme version (fascism).
I disagree. Not voting against the nutters is the quickest way to do that. You don't have to go home after ticking 'no' to fascism. In fact most on these boards are right with that anyway.
Do you think the 'friendly' capitalist government should be brought down though? And if so, how is that going to happen? Maybe you are just not interested in trying to do something about that system? I do get the impression that people are not aware of the harm caused by such governments or just don't care - maybe it just doesn't effect them like it does others, though climate change will effect everyone. Anyway, it seems to be a waste of time discussing this on here - what I say is not acknowledged and we keep going round in circles.
So why have people gone home then? Where are they and what are they doing? What you say is clearly not true.
I think if a government intends to harm minorities, destroy living standards and deny/accelerate climate change I will vote against that.
The likes of the Dems do all of those things aswell and you're saying people should vote for them.
There's a big difference between surviving/keeping your head above water and allowing a permanent nightmarish brutal dystopia in my opinion, for the sake of ticking a box.
I think the nightmarish brutal dystopia has arrived already for alot of people
Are the Dems fascist then?
At the end of the day people like you contribute to state oppression and attacks on the working class. Thats just a fact. You help the ruling class and its state, thats whose side you're on. People like you are clearly not interested in resisting capitalism or promoting that idea. You encourage people to vote for and support the bourgeois who oppress and exploit working class people and you stubbornly refuse to get behind autonomous alternatives from below. You support the evermore destructive, exploitative, venal and repressive capitalist system. End of. And hey, maybe your pathetic attempts at keeping fascism at bay won't even work. Its a complete waste of fucking time bothering with you deluded, blinkered people. You'll get what you vote for.
Its exactly whats happened on here, but you people are too disingenuous to accept that.
I tried discussion is all, and for some reason that offended you.
Here's just one example of the sort of thing I'm referring to. I have also been accused on here of siding with the republicans and fascism and their oppression of black people. I have cleary outlined my position and the serious problems with electoralism, but you people just don't listen, you are blinkered. Its clearly a complete waste of fucking time with you lot.
I can equally and legitimately accuse you of actively supporting a political party and government who will do (and are doing) immense harm to the working class and other groups of people and you lot admit that you are knowingly supporting the bourgeosie. But at the end of the day I am for supporting oppressed and marginalised groups and working towards liberation, whereas siding with the bourgeoisie is counter-productive to doing that from my view.
What do you say to a woman in Alabama who needs an abortion? Do you lecture her how it makes no difference which party is in power?
Ofcourse not and funnily enough anarchists have been involved in real solidarity in such matters, whereas the dems have not done enough and are part of the system that has brought this about and enforced it.
Don't hide behind the actions of other people. I want you to tell me what you would say to her. And the truth is that you would lecture her about how it makes no difference because unless she told you, you might have no idea that she needs an abortion. You could be lecturing her right now on this thread.
This is just stupid and disingenuous and I've answered your question. I believe in genuine solidarity and action and not the system that has inflicted that on people.
