Not really no. Although who knows - it might galvanise some action like it did last time.
But you clearly see the democrats as saviours, I don't.
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Joe Biden's time is up
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But you clearly see the democrats as saviours, I don't.
He can be a hero of the left and still have an awful approval rating y'know. The fact is that much of the left are fawning over him right now.
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petee
no gods, no managers
listen you doctrinaire stunad, class politics and electoral politics are not on a continuum. they're separate spheres, one doesn't spend energy on electoral politics, except to spam shortsighted assholes like you. i'm a member of no party, of course, but i know that my choices on election day are biden or trump. that takes 30 minutes of my year. i will gladly vote for biden if he runs again. there seems to be nobody else making noise. sherrod brown sounded good but has disappeared.
so biden forgives educational debt completely, handing rightwingers the cudgel they need, and rolls out the carpet for trump next election. not living in this country that's okay with you. fuck off.
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two sheds
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If Trump gets in you know he and his mates are most likely going to turn the US into a fascist state, ban abortion country wide just for starters.
Not really important?
The democrats are already in power and roe v wade is gone.
People need to stop depending on capitalism to help them, thats one of the massive problems and it is exacerabating things.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
They're happy that they've been given the tiniest of lifelines in a system that gives them crumbs. Most people recognize it for what it is--crumbs. That's hardly making him a "hero of the left." I realize that you're on a mission to be more revolutionary than thou, but most of us understand that politics is matter of making incremental gains over time. That's how the right got Roe v. Wade overturned. It wasn't one thing that happened, it was the result of 50 years of constant effort. Revolutions are fun and flashy and all, but most lasting change happens over time by moving the Overton window.
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If people made a constant effort towards revolutionary change then we'd actually be getting somewhere instead of being lumbered with the likes of democrats and republicans.
Seriously? Get fucked.Fucking hellso you don't care whether the US goes full-on fascist with rabid Christian Nationalists in power, and you don't care that the barbaric abortion rules are imposed country wide. Are you comfortable being an apologist for fascism?
And if you knew anything about politics you would know that really all forms of capitalism feed each other and support each other at our expense.
If the democrats are so great, if your precious liberal democracy is so good, then why doesn't it fight 'fascism' to the death?
And I guess the lack of abortion rights effects the poor the most - and the likes of the democrats clearly don't care about poor people.
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This isn't even worth a proper response. I stand by what I said about you, its clearly spot on.
listen you doctrinaire stunad, class politics and electoral politics are not on a continuum. they're separate spheres, one doesn't spend energy on electoral politics, except to spam shortsighted assholes like you. i'm a member of no party, of course, but i know that my choices on election day are biden or trump. that takes 30 minutes of my year. i will gladly vote for biden if he runs again. there seems to be nobody else making noise. sherrod brown sounded good but has disappeared.
so biden forgives educational debt completely, handing rightwingers the cudgel they need, and rolls out the carpet for trump next election. not living in this country that's okay with you. fuck off.
I would like fascism to be destroyed along with all forms of capitalism, unlike the democrats. Althought I consider Trump to be an ultra-nationalist with some fascist allies to be exact.
And theres no better and more thorough way of ridding the world of fascism than by completely ridding it of capitalism.
two sheds
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I'm no democrat. But if you think that Biden and co are as bad as Trump and co then you really are deluded.
Wether you like it or not, at the end of the day they are part of the same capitalist bullshit really. Thats the reality.
And at the end of the day the fact remains that the most democratic type of democracy is still gonna be a capitalist oligarchy that desperately needs to go.
Humberto
anthropocene participant
Sometimes you just need to put out fires to survive another day. You still have your principles and aims.
No I am not comfortable with that and do not agree with that. Thats a blatant strawman.. Fuck off you unhinged, lying cunt.
Liberal democracy and fascism are actually very good friends aswell. History has proven that fact and that fascism is just an extreme form of capitalism. Both are reactionary and authoritarian aswell.
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You
You said it doesn't really matter that Trump gets in. If Trump and his batshit Christian Nationalists get in, the US will have countrywide repressive abortion legislation .... and all the rest of their fascist ideas. You think that doesn't really matter. No strawman.
I don't think people's energies should go into the democratic party, into electoralism, because thats how we got here for one thing. I think people's energies should rather go into genuine, anti-capitalist and revolutionary change. I think that would be a better use of people's time and energy. Thats what I meant. I am pro-choice. You are trying to twist things as you people who believe in electoralism always try to do.
Humberto
anthropocene participant
Ultimately they are two sides of a coin that is dropped in all our beers.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Most of us are spending our energy just trying to feed ourselves and our families. Those crumbs that a lot of people manage to pry out of the Democrats can make the difference between living with a roof over your head or not, or living at all. You need to cut people some slack and understand the difficulties that most people face day to day. Sometimes you remind me of 14-year-old boy who has read a couple of "radical" books.
two sheds
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Bollocks. You're saying - again - that it doesn't matter if Trump gets in. If Trump and his batshit mates get in they'll bring in all their insane policies. That's going to affect the lives of millions of people, and particularly women because of the far-right republicans' batshit Biblical views.
Really? That doesn't really matter? I'm not twisting things. That's the result of what you've said.
I stand by what I posted. I am pro-choice but I have different politics to you. Thats what you need to understand, but you appear to be too blinkered and authoriatrain for that.
I can understand people wanting the benefits of certain reforms but not that reformism is the be all and end all. Unfortunately it seems thats what alot of people have settled for.
two sheds
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Outright fascists and white supremacists installed in government and even more openly in the police force. That doesn't really matter? Fucking hell. What do you think it's going to be like for the black population?
If it really matters so much why just merely vote for the democrats? And why can't the democrats genuinely destroy the fascists once and for all?
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