Jewish Intellectualism

[LiamO]

So the 'Irish' are disowning Kelvin because he was not Catholic.

Are you really this stupid. Or are you just being a deliberately disingenuous prick?

 

[LiamO]

Don't try and boss me about Liam.

 

[cesare]

Telling me to do x y or z. Felt like bossing about to me.

 

[LiamO]

Which is everything to do with you and nothing to do with me. Have a nice day.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'd like to know the genetic explanation for why Jews can't look up.

Look at any anti-Semitic propaganda poster, and the reason is there. It's our hunchbacks (caused by too much cuddling of sacks of money).

 

[8den]

I watched an interview with Richard Feynman in which he was telling the tale of how he noticed as a small child, growing up dirt-poor in New York, the way water was displaced in the back of his toy tipper truck when he moved it... and the way his father (who was a manual worker or a tailor IIRC) explained the science of it to him.

I don't know any Irish people who had similar conversations with their manual-working parents. I'm sure I would have been told 'cos it does' had I asked any of the adults I grew up around. Had my father (who would have been of the same generation as Feynman) had the cheek to ask an adult so bold a question he would probably have got a skelp. That's what his father would have learned at school... and in life... shut the fuck up and don't ask questions.

LiamO would you kindly shut the fuck up. You don't own the Irish experience. You don't get to lecture Urban on what a typical Irish childhood consists of, and what Irish parents did and did not do. As it happens my dad self taught himself alot of engineering as a boy growing up on a small farm in the north, and he delighted in explaining science to me, and on several occasions to my catholic boy scout troop. Just because your childhood revelled in some kind of proud anti intellectualism doesn't mean we all did.

Cue LiamO explaining how I'm not really Irish in some weird little way. What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[LiamO]

1. Your father would be the exception rather than the rule then. Shame he raised such a spiteful little brat, really.

2. I appointed myself the spokesperson for no-one.

Are you seriously suggesting that there was a widespread culture of engagement with Science, engineering and philosophy amongst Irish manual workers? Is there one even now? Show me your evidence.

I never referred to the anti-intellectualism of my childhood as 'proud'. It was ignorant. But it was widespread. I didn't say it was right. I just said it was there. It is still fairly common today, but much less so.

Here in the north, the descendants of the civil-rights generation are much more inclined to academic endeavour and the anti-intellectualism is however still firmly entrenched in Loyalist communities in the north. That is why one of the reasons they are so outraged at the taigs 'taking over' the universities and the professions, whilst the Unionist brain-drain continues unabated.

 

[frogwoman]

is this thread for fucking real.

i'm so sick of this bullshit.

 

[frogwoman]

(with apologies for last night's ill-thought out thread... which was a pile of pish tbh)

This article was posted on my FB this week by a female Muslim friend. (I don't know what point exactly she was making, although I suspect it was that while she is an avowed opponent of Israeli violence and oppression, she is an admirer of intellect and is also keen to not be seen as anti-Jewish - so this would balance out her frequent posts about the vilification of Muslims and about Israeli brutality).

http://topinfopost.com/2013/07/22/w...azi-jews-so-high-twenty-possible-explanations

The article raises some interesting questions. which I feel are worthy of proper discussion, as to how such a small percentage of the world's population have been/are so prominent in so many fields, especially those of intellectual endeavour. Not least of which would be the whole nature vs nurture debate and the nature of triumph through adversity (how the exclusion of one generation of Jews rippled out positively for future generations).

Some of it is very simplistic. Some profound.

To be clear. My intention is to discuss social phenomena not conspiracy theories. I believe much of the same discussion could take place around the rise of the children of poor 1960's/70's south asian immigrants in Britain to positions of prominence in 'the professions'.

A similar 'takeover' of the professions is in full swing in the north of Ireland - where previously untermensch Catholics are increasingly prevalent in what were once bastions of Unionism. This is what is really driving the Fleg protests IMO.

Thoughts? I will start off with a few below.

this is meant to be the politics forum, not the "post up some old bollocks" forum.

 

[8den]

1. Your father would be the exception rather than the rule then. Shame he raised such a spiteful little brat, really.

Yes, because people reading this exchange are really going to think I'm the one displaying a petulant obnoxious streak.

2. I appointed myself the spokesperson for no-one.

Bullshit.

I don't know any Irish people

Then tell me about how they are so widely known and celebrated by Irish people - unlike the writers, musicians, sports people,
singers etc.

I can't even think of the name of yer man the mathematician who wrote down the equation on the bridge under the Grand Canal that apparently CGI is based on. Nor could most people.

Who is Kelvin? Stop the next 20 Irish people you meet and ask them.

I take it he was/is an Irish scientist from a protestant, free-thinking background? Horray for you.

Now tell me about how every Irish child is taught about him at their grannies knee and how proud we all are of him.

Are you seriously suggesting that there was a widespread culture of engagement with Science, engineering and philosophy amongst Irish manual workers? Is there one even now? Show me your evidence.

Well for starts how on earth did we develop a pharmaceutical industry that is world renowned if there wasnt more than a small degree of veneration for science in ireland.

Again this is your prejudice and background colourising your worldview.

I never referred to the anti-intellectualism of my childhood as 'proud'. It was ignorant. But it was widespread. I didn't say it was right. I just said it was there. It is still fairly common today, but much less so.

Here in the north, the descendants of the civil-rights generation are much more inclined to academic endeavour and the anti-intellectualism is however still firmly entrenched in Loyalist communities in the north. That is why one of the reasons they are so outraged at the taigs 'taking over' the universities and the professions, whilst the Unionist brain-drain continues unabated.

I called you proud because you're loudly proclaiming your own worldview and background as common in Ireland.

And you're not proud LiamO, if you were you wouldnt hid your previous posting history from people to read it.

Now fuck off there's a good little chap, I hear BBCNI are running a "give my head peace" marathon tonight, that's about at your intellectual level, judging by the bullshit on this thread.

 

[CyberRose]

 

[cesare]

Which is everything to do with you and nothing to do with me. Have a nice day.

No. It's about you giving orders. Have a nice day.

 

[frogwoman]

its too early in the day (lol) to get proper rage on.

i'm just so fucking fed up of this. there seems to be an increased amount of it recently.

urban is supposed to be the place where you can get away from this shit.
ffs

 

[LiamO]

Tell me this 8den...

1. What, specifically, did your father do for a living?

2. did you not go to some poncey private school, possibly a boarding one, in Rathfarnham or somewhere?

 

[LiamO]

...and why are you so vexed about access to my posting history? Off to do a little cross-thread trolling were we?

 

[frogwoman]

i thought better of you liam.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

This.thread.makes.no.sense.

 

[LiamO]

i thought better of you liam.

and me of you. If there is something you want to ask, or a point you wish to make, please do do.

I will always engage respectfully with you, as you know.

 

[DotCommunist]

Look at any anti-Semitic propaganda poster, and the reason is there. It's our hunchbacks (caused by too much cuddling of sacks of money).

its as cartoonish as when Billy Whizz wins a race in the beano and is rewarded by a massive trophy cup full of chips and fried eggs. Which he chortles and guffaws over while eating.

 

[frogwoman]

fuck this

i can't be fucked with this shit.

 

[LiamO]

fuck this

i can't be fucked with this shit.

with what, specifically. Gimme a shout back later and please tell me specifically what I have posted that has upset you/that you object to. It would need to be today or tomorrow morning though.

 

[Santino]

He's like an equally shit phildwyer.

 

[LiamO]

this is meant to be the politics forum, not the "post up some old bollocks" forum.

sorry missed this one.

I posted a link to an article, with a view to promoting some discussion. So discuss or don't as you choose.

I personally find the differing emigrant experiences a fascinating subject and the simplistic nonsense of most of the author's stated 'reasons' eminently challengable. I posited that cultural and social factors were the difference that made the difference, rather than bloodlines. What exactly is your objection to that?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Before discussing any of that you need to do something the article writer does not do at all, which is to analyse what IQ tests are and why different groups perform differently at them. You then end up with a rather more prosaic answer to the question.

 

[Santino]

Before discussing any of that you need to do something the article writer does not do at all, which is to analyse what IQ tests are and why different groups perform differently at them. You then end up with a rather more prosaic answer to the question.

As long as the answer is to do with 'cultural and social factors' and not 'bloodlines' then it's definitely not racist.

 

[J Ed]

Are you really this stupid. Or are you just being a deliberately disingenuous prick?

You started a thread called Jewish Intellectualism and you're calling other people pricks

 

[J Ed]

Maybe this thread can be rescued with some interesting content.

Here is an interesting website I came across the other day, it's the website of the linguistic authority of Ladino in Israel. Ladino is basically Judeo-Spanish, the language spoken by the Jews who lived in Spain and were subsequently expelled but continued to speak the language throughout the Mediterranean.

http://www.aki-yerushalayim.co.il/anl/ it's so weird because if you speak a Romance language you can get the jist of most of it! Really cool.

 

[LiamO]

As long as the answer is to do with 'cultural and social factors' and not 'bloodlines' then it's definitely not racist.

do expand

 

[LiamO]

You started a thread called Jewish Intellectualism and you're calling other people pricks

what exactly is your problem with those two words together?

have you even read the fuckin article?

 

[LiamO]

do expand

and are you actually calling me racist? please clarify