Jewish Intellectualism
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Bloody hell, Trampies anti-semitism, Casually Red's stupidity in the Uri Geller thread and now this rubbish - is something in water this week.
Tell me about all these famous Irish scientists.
Then tell me about how they are so widely known and celebrated by Irish people - unlike the writers, musicians, sports people,
singers etc.
I can't even think of the name of yer man the mathematician who wrote down the equation on the bridge under the Grand Canal that apparently CGI is based on. Nor could most people.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
So the 'Irish' are disowning Kelvin because he was not Catholic.
cesare
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Boole (as in Boolean). Stoney (atom/electron), Thomson (Kelvin scale), Walton (Nobel Laureate for joint work in splitting the atom), Hamilton (algebra). How many examples do you want for a country where the entire population is less than London?
So the 'Irish' are disowning Kelvin because he was not Catholic.
Who is Kelvin? Stop the next 20 Irish people you meet and ask them.
I take it he was/is an Irish scientist from a protestant, free-thinking background? Horray for you.
Now tell me about how every Irish child is taught about him at their grannies knee and how proud we all are of him.
The point about religion is simple enough even for you. 19th Century free-thinking, protestantism was culturally conducive to intellectual vigour, to investigation and analysis. Irish catholicism, based as it was/is on dumb acceptance and non-questioning compliance is not.
Anyways I asked you to make the case for Irish people. You have failed miserably.
never heard of any of them (was Boole the maths fella?).. Fill me in on some background.
And while you are at it tell me about how venerated/celebrated they are in Irish popular culture.
So the 'Irish' are disowning Kelvin because he was not Catholic.
it's not about 'disowning' anybody.
most authors that Irish people venerate were not catholic. Doesn't stop people celebrating their work.
Now tell me again about the huge Irish tradition of Intellectual endeavour - as opposed to the hard graft ethic Irish emigrants took with them.
Nice one
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i'm not sure you're allowed thomson
cesare
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Don't try and boss me about Liam. I gave you examples, and they're well known ones. If you want background you can google them yourself. Your unfamiliarity isn't a yardstick for all Irish people. You haven't answered my question on what you mean by intellectualism either.
cesare
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Why not?
JHE
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There's Catholicism and Catholicism. There is intellectual Catholicism as well as 'dumb acceptance'. I'd guess that's true in Ireland as elsewhere.
It seems to me that ex-Catholics - of Irish, Scots or English backgrounds - have been overrepresented among British Marxists. One possible cultural connection is that people who were indoctrinated into Catholicism as children may have a psychological need for doctrine, a world view, a catechism, careful apologetics and heresy-hunting and, after rejecting Christianity, Marxism can fulfil that need.
I watched an interview with Richard Feynman in which he was telling the tale of how he noticed as a small child, growing up dirt-poor in New York, the way water was displaced in the back of his toy tipper truck when he moved it... and the way his father (who was a manual worker or a tailor IIRC) explained the science of it to him.
I don't know any Irish people who had similar conversations with their manual-working parents. I'm sure I would have been told 'cos it does' had I asked any of the adults I grew up around. Had my father (who would have been of the same generation as Feynman) had the cheek to ask an adult so bold a question he would probably have got a skelp. That's what his father would have learned at school... and in life... shut the fuck up and don't ask questions.
I don't know any Irish people who had similar conversations with their manual-working parents. I'm sure I would have been told 'cos it does' had I asked any of the adults I grew up around. Had my father (who would have been of the same generation as Feynman) had the cheek to ask an adult so bold a question he would probably have got a skelp. That's what his father would have learned at school... and in life... shut the fuck up and don't ask questions.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Or that Irish emigrants and their descendants people have a conditioned affinity with the oppressed.
I've argued on here before that Irish people are historically well represented at both ends of the political bell-curve in Britain, the US and anywhere else they settled in large numbers.
Nice one
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he was british. As was boole.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The only biological or genetic argument that can be made for a prevalence of high IQs among Ashkenazim can be found in the fact of high degree of in-marriage, but this is only meaningful when accompanied by acculturation to "western" epistemological ideals, and needs to be viewed in light of its' corollary - the prevalence of low IQs also caused by the high degree of in-marriage.
The one pretty much cancels out the other, and the curve for Ashkenazi IQ in general is no higher than anyone else, allowing for cultural effects.
In other words, "Jewish intellectualism" is an artefact of people noticing the "heritage" of the intellectual, not of a specific biological or genetic benefit accrued by a particular "race".
The one pretty much cancels out the other, and the curve for Ashkenazi IQ in general is no higher than anyone else, allowing for cultural effects.
In other words, "Jewish intellectualism" is an artefact of people noticing the "heritage" of the intellectual, not of a specific biological or genetic benefit accrued by a particular "race".
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There are plenty of black Jews.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
He was born in Belfast.
kittyP
Pluviophile
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I thought this was something that happened when you give birth?
That's an episiotomy!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
epidural
you've never heard of the clothes designer? His clothes are super cool.
Yes. Nurture over nature. Culture over genetics.
All of the Eastern european kids (mostly Polish cafflicks) I grew up with played Chess and were encoraged to by their parents, siblings and peers. Virtually none of the Irish or english ones did. We played football. Indeed us kids viewed playing Chess as the first step on the slippery slope to being a 'lick' or a 'poof', whilst most parents would have been either indifferent to intellectual pursuits or threatened by them
The (mostly Indian) kids I went to Tech with were all encouraged/conditioned/badgered/harangued into study. Our parents just wanted us to have a job.
High educational achievement was a major aspiration for my Asian friends, even though their parents worked in factories, were bus conductors or did other menial jobs and were as poor as anyone else's. It is now an expectation for their own children.
From doing the shit jobs that the natives did not want, to full families of Professionals in two generations. That is the product of a culture of intellectual/academic pursuit.
FridgeMagnet
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I'd like to know the genetic explanation for why Jews can't look up.
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