Jamie Oliver is STILL a massive cahnt

[fredfelt]

Fact is, when you get rich cunts telling poor people how to "make do and mend" (like most of us don't have a fucking lifetime of experience of doing so) and how to get a nutritious meal from a dog chew, you know that they're not interested in addressing the primary problem (poverty and the effects of poverty), only in picking at the edges and, possibly, in deriving benefit from representing the victims of poverty as victims of their own actions by representing a cliche of a "poor person" as representative of most people in poverty.
These programmes will, for the most part, be "preaching to the converted". What some people don't appreciate is that the way these programmes represent the targets of the programme to those that aren't the targets of the programme, is as much the primary purpose of these programmes as "make do and mend" and "healthy eating" are.

Would you find it acceptable if the targets of such programs / books were, for instance, people on low incomes who are looking to improve their cooking skills? How much difference would it make to you if the presenter was a well known cook (ie most likely to be rich) or someone who's unknown?

 

[DotCommunist]

christ this isn't about the 'politics of envy' you ejit.

 

[butchersapron]

Would you find it acceptable if the targets of such programs / books were, for instance, people on low incomes who are looking to improve their cooking skills? How much difference would it make to you if the presenter was a well known cook (ie most likely to be rich) or someone who's unknown?

Why has Jack Monroe not attracted such ire? Is it because she hasn't spouted a load of social prejudices in the way that Oliver so consistently has? You are still on the wrong thread.

 

[8ball]

It will be interesting to see what this programme is like - ie. will it be anything actually useful or will these be recipes that, while technically 'cheap', require hours of preparation, a twenty grand kitchen, and a shitload of esoteric ingredients to make.

 

[bamalama]

christ this isn't about the 'politics of envy' you ejit.

Greengrocers...stacking shelves

 

[fredfelt]

Why has Jack Monroe not attracted such ire? Is it because she hasn't spouted a load of social prejudices in the way that Oliver so consistently has? You are still on the wrong thread.

I tried her veggie burgers. They were surprisingly good.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Calling people cunts is the Urban75 way. If Liam is dissatisfied with Urban75 kulcha, he must be a cunt!

Fuck off, you cunt.

 

[isvicthere?]

Been stewing about this since I saw it at 8am. He's got a personal fortune of £130m, yet he 'has a lot of experience with poverty'. It doesn't fucking count if you're only a tourist, Jamie. How dare he use his celebrity platform to beat people with no way of replying. Oh yeah Sicilian street cleaners can afford to eat well so you lazy British povs can too. Where are you going to find mussels and mange tout for 'pennies' on a housing estate, or in a little village? He's a fucking idiot.

Indeed:-

 

[isvicthere?]

Rubbish, it's the desire to own a massive telly that's the problem, you can probably get a basic second hand one for the price of a single monthly payment on a snazzy one.

We had a black and white 14" TV until 1996 when my grandparents gave us their old portable colour set. Buying expensive things on hire purchase instead of feeding the kids isn't the only option for most people by any means.

 

[bi0boy]

christ this isn't about the 'politics of envy' you ejit.

No, it appears only to be about calling people cunts.

 

[Frances Lengel]

Twat.

 

[bamalama]

No, it appears only to about calling people cunts.

In all fairness mainly just yourself

 

[DotCommunist]

No, it appears only to about calling people cunts.

well, thats how I'd play it if I was also bang in the wrong and didn't have the stones to admit it- but there we go.

 

[bamalama]

I tried her veggie burgers. They were surprisingly good.

Did ye buy them in a supermarket,on the high street?Off a stacked freezer shelf?

 

[fredfelt]

It will be interesting to see what this programme is like - ie. will it be anything actually useful or will these be recipes that, while technically 'cheap', require hours of preparation, a twenty grand kitchen, and a shitload of esoteric ingredients to make.

I was wondering the same thing. It may well be useful, with relatively inexpensive recipes. Who knows it may not even be patronising - but somehow I doubt it.

But that's not the point. It seems the point is that Jamie Oliver is a cunt.

 

[bamalama]

It will be interesting to see what this programme is like - ie. will it be anything actually useful or will these be recipes that, while technically 'cheap', require hours of preparation, a twenty grand kitchen, and a shitload of esoteric ingredients to make.

Don't watch it ffs,it only encourages the fucker/earns him more money.

 

[fredfelt]

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[fredfelt]

Did ye buy them in a supermarket,on the high street?Off a stacked freezer shelf?

Here you go. You can make them for yourself. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jul/23/jack-monroe-face-modern-poverty

 

[butchersapron]

I was wondering the same thing. It may well be useful, with relatively inexpensive recipes. Who knows it may not even be patronising - but somehow I doubt it.

But that's not the point. It seems the point is that Jamie Oliver is a cunt.

Oh god, can we list the wounded on this thread Fred. There's you and and bioboy i think. You insult everyone else by claiming this thread is just 'Jamie Oliver is a cunt'

 

[bamalama]

But that's not the point. It seems the point is that Jamie Oliver is a cunt.

Lightbulbs

 

[Epico]

He's off again. The cunt.

For 'stronger' read: 'easier to exploit.'

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/jamie-oliver-says-british-workers-whinge-235845331.html#OTlp5W0

If restaurants expect them to work 80-100 weeks, are they going to pay them national minimum wage for all the hours they work? Are they fuck.

Work staff to bone, pay as little as possible, and call them lazy, ungrateful swine when they have the audacity to want suitable conditions. Voice of the people, right Jamie?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Would you find it acceptable if the targets of such programs / books were, for instance, people on low incomes who are looking to improve their cooking skills? How much difference would it make to you if the presenter was a well known cook (ie most likely to be rich) or someone who's unknown?

You're missing my point, which is that one target of such programmes IS people on low incomes looking to improve their skills, but that a lot of the advice will be "preaching to the converted", because most of us who have access to decent shopping will simply be looking for tips on widening their culinary repertoire, so who the presenter is makes no difference except to the people trying to "sell" the programme.

 

[ViolentPanda]

christ this isn't about the 'politics of envy' you ejit.

"The politics of envy" - the eternal cry of the intellectually-bankrupt right when faced with people angry about social divisions.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No, it appears only to be about calling people cunts.

Poltroon.

 

[8ball]

Don't watch it ffs,it only encourages the fucker/earns him more money.

I don't think I could manage a whole programme with the twat* in it, I was more thinking having a looking at some recipes on the C4 website if they put them up.

* - other derisive terms are available

 

[kabbes]

What is a pov? This doesn't help.

 

[DotCommunist]

What is a pov? This doesn't help.

pov=poverty. A person of few means, financially speaking.

 

[Lo Siento.]

I was wondering the same thing. It may well be useful, with relatively inexpensive recipes. Who knows it may not even be patronising - but somehow I doubt it.

But that's not the point. It seems the point is that Jamie Oliver is a cunt.

Oh, ffs.

Look, the world doesn't need Jamie Oliver to tell us how to cook cheap healthy food, every single bloody corner of the media (not to mention the internet) is saturated with recipes, cookery advice, nutritional advice and whatever else you might need.

Now there's nothing wrong with adding to that, writing a few recipes you think might be especially helpful to people on low budgets, but everything wrong with attaching that (quite minor in the greater scheme of things) bit of advice to a load of prejudiced, judgemental guff about how people live their lives, and the choices they make with their time and money - reinforcing a growing tendency to blame poverty on the poor.

That's what make JO a cunt.

 

[fredfelt]

You're missing my point, which is that one target of such programmes IS people on low incomes looking to improve their skills, but that a lot of the advice will be "preaching to the converted", because most of us who have access to decent shopping will simply be looking for tips on widening their culinary repertoire, so who the presenter is makes no difference except to the people trying to "sell" the programme.

Thanks for clarifying. I thought the point you were making was that the target was not what it purported to be - in this case Jamie Oliver is using those who are struggling as some kind of cover to make sneering social comment. I'm genuinely interested in how JO represents the purported targets of the program.

 

[fredfelt]

Oh, ffs.

Look, the world doesn't need Jamie Oliver to tell us how to cook cheap healthy food, every single bloody corner of the media (not to mention the internet) is saturated with recipes, cookery advice, nutritional advice and whatever else you might need.

Now there's nothing wrong with adding to that, writing a few recipes you think might be especially helpful to people on low budgets, but everything wrong with attaching that (quite minor in the greater scheme of things) bit of advice to a load of prejudiced, judgemental guff about how people live their lives, and the choices they make with their time and money - reinforcing a growing tendency to blame poverty on the poor.

That's what make JO a cunt.

Yes, I get that. The more sound bites that are quoted here from JO has lead me to believe that he really is a bit of a judgemental prick. Although all I know about his opinions are sound bites and small quotes - I've not actually heard the man speak himself but any room for doubt is getting smaller.